That's the point. Why do they have to be barbie humans? They aren't human! II'm basically just saying I hope Bethesda keeps making the races more unique to each other really. I think they did a good job with Skyrim.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

I think http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc389/eisoj5/TESV2011-11-2710-38-36-91.jpg is pretty decent-looking, though. Not un-Orcishly ethereal or anything, but good-looking in her own way.

I agree with this right here. We humans can consider something beautiful or pretty without necessarily finding it sixually attractive. You can quite normally say a certain breed of dog or species of flower is gorgeous, but that doesn't mean you want to have carnal relations with it.



So far, I'd say this character is ahead of the rest.

They don't have to be "Barbie" humans, but if you want intermarriage to be at all plausible, they're essentially going to have to be extremely human. A unique skin tone, some slight change to the shape of the ears, perhaps a somewhat different shape to the bridge of the nose, a different eye color...all these things are within the bounds of possibility. But if you make elves, for example, look too different then it just isn't believable that any human would consider them an attractive mate, nor that any elf would consider a human an attractive mate.

Look at it this way. Humans in the real world have widely ranging skin tones, several different colors of eye and hair color, and differing hair textures. But in things like how far apart the eyes are, and certain key ratios in the face, humanity of all races tends not to vary too much. No seventeen year old Breton boy is gonna bother trying to get in the pants of a seventeen year old Bosmer girl if her face looks like something you see in a funhouse mirror.

And why does intermarriage have to be a factor? Many people see different things as a attractive. I didn't want to say it but furrys, lol. But besides that.....this isn't earth. They aren't human. I NEVER want the races to look "hardly different" because you believe intermarriage wouldn't be possible. That's silly.

From what I've read about, humans are willing to get freaky with just about anything from livestock to park benches. Finding a fantasy race attractive is certainly not pushing very far on the 'weird things to bone' scale in comparison to things people even in real life do.

Lore on inter species relations disagrees.

I think if I ever married a female Orc she would make me feel less and less a man every single day. I could see myself cooking muffins in a week.

Orcs in TES are just funny colored elves. So being somewhat attractive is fine.


Also make an Orc female attractive?.......2 of the presets are sixy.

And people who get busy with farm animals are psychologically ill. We're talking about normal people here, not the mentally deranged.

Like I said, you could have elves and orcs and dwarves and whatnot have varying skin tones, minor differences to the nose, changes in eye and hair color, etc., and still have them and humans consider each other potential mates. Start screwing with the basic proprtions of the face and no, it just ain't gonna happen. Think about how important minor things can be when it comes to what you consider attractive in another person's face.

Especially when your kid comes out looking a whole lot more like an Orc than you.



They already have been together in the past. The looks didnt matter then (A certain Imperial and Orc from Oblivion), why would they now? Your an expert on alien attractiveness though right?

Or when your daughter knocks you clear out just from shaking a rattle a little too carelessly.

And you know the psychology of EScitizens how? I think you forget that the human feature isn't the pinnacle anymore. For all you know the Altmeric features could be dominate, etc. But besides that, this world works differently. Attractiveness could work differently.

What? You mean the in-game stuff?



I didn't say they hadn't. I've read books in-game that said interbreeding between elves and men was especially common in High Rock waaaaaaay in the past. I'm just saying that for them to have done so believably, they had to have looked pretty similar in the grand scheme of things, or they simply wouldn't have been physically attracted to each other as potential mates. Lots of things look pretty or visually attractive without being at all sixually attractive. The Khajiit and Argonians are attractive - but if you find them sixually attractive then you need to find a good therapist, and fast.

Long story short: Differences like differing ear shape and skin tone and hair consistency and shape of the nose and eye color are commonly exotic and no barrier to attraction - but strong differences in the proportion of the face are simply a great obstacle to sixual attraction.

*ahem* Lusty Argonian Maid...


As for the Orcs...I don't think it can be done nor should it.

I'd hit it.

No, because your using Earth as your example. This isn't Earth. For all you know, its works exactly the opposite. You don't know what is and isn't attractive to any of the races on an alien realm. Who in their right mind would think that? And I'm not talking about where Bretons came from, I'm talking about a particular inter species relationship between an Imperial Vampire and a Orc.

Actually it came from a fad in England of using Bleach to whiten teeth...which weakened the enamel resulting in ...well...the "Big Book of Brittish Smiles" being a big joke on the Simpsons.

Lol. I think some people are taking this a bit too seriously. I see it as a challenge. Just as if we were all orcs playing a game trying to make an attractive Nord.

they are cursed elves.

What psychology? Humans are attracted to humans, end of story. The very reason that humans are attracted to so-called non-humans like elves is because elves are humans, just humans with exotic features. After all, look at the lore of TES: both Men and Mer are descended from the Ehlnofey, the spirits that could not or did not leave Mundus when Magnus and other Aedra left after realizing Lorkhan had tricked them.

Argonian beauty, like so much else about them, is quite alien to men and mer. But with a face like this, a girl would have no end of suitors.
http://momaw.kikaimegami.com/thismaybe.jpg

And all of which are alien, with alien motives and cultures. 400 years ago rubenesque was considered attractive, now those people would be considered fat. And that's just a cultural change. Alien culture, with alien psychology? Sorry, but this isn't Earth, its Nirn. You know as much as anybody else on the subject, which is none. From the example we have to go by, it would suggests that your idea of attractiveness isnt what guides interspecies hook ups on Nirn.

Are the humans of Nirn humans or not?

Also, the humans and elves aren't different species anyway. They share a common ancestry (the Ehlnofey) and they are interfertile. A Nord and a Dunmer could mate and have fertile offspring, which is the very definition of "species" for sixually reproducing organisms.



lol

I remember that.