people who have seen my Mankar cameron dovahkiin? topic will say that the reasons good old Mankar do absolutly not imply on our own char in Oblivion. but if you manege to keep bearus alive, he says you are dragonborn to you right after Akatosh appears when you talk to him.

yes I replayed the Oblivion main quest....

your opinions

What?

Baurus says the player is Dragonborn after the avatar of Akatosh appears?

Find proof. I remember him calling Martin "Dragonborn" but not the player.

Edit: typo :C

I think his last words to you are

"The scholars and priests can debate what happened to Martin in the end.
What I know is that he sacrificed himself to save us all. As a Blade, I'm proud to have served such a master, if only for a short while."

Im not even sure if he says anything to you after akatosh obliterates dagon.

I'm not sure what's being referenced in relation to the Champion of Cyrodiil, but I'm pretty sure Mankar Camoran is Dragonborn.

/facepalm

OW F***!!!
You know, sometimes these / commands are useful, but sometimes they are really annoying. And painful.

But no, he says nothing of the sort.

I don't think sheogorath would be the dragon born.

Nope, nothing like that was said. Not about YOU atleast.

video or it didn't happen.

Baurus doesn't call your pc dragon-born. He says that Martin was though.

Mankar Camoran probably was another line of dragon-born.

its been 200 years he/she is dead

Why do people sayCamoran was dragonborn? What did I miss?

He could wear the amulet of kings. Something only Dragonborn could do. Which actually counters the OP argument nicely. The Amulet of Kings can only be worn by Dragonborn and it falls off if you try to wear it. therefore he/she/argonian is not Dragonborn.

:shifty:

Yeah. I always wondered how he managed to wear the amulet of kings. He probably attached strings to both ends of the chain and then tied the strings together behind his neck.

He says absolutely nothing of the sort.

OTOH, Vivec or someone says it to you in Morrowind towards the end of the main quest. Maybe Azura?

And most official descriptions of Skyrim have said that you are a dragonborn, that there have been other dragonborn over the years and that the Septim line is merely one of the lines. Being dragonborn has nothing to do with being emperor. Tiber Septim was just a more ambitious dragonborn who made himself emperor. So Mankar could be a dragonborn, so could Maiq' the Liar. There's no evidence either way.

I just want to know why the dragons have a song praising the dragonborn if their main job is to kill dragons....

You'd have to be an Elf/Mer to live that long

he called me names when I've slapped him in the face courtesy of PiiiP.

maybe he said 'dragon borne' as in someone who was carried around by a dragon for a bit...

Technically the reason Mankar wore the amulet was for gameplay reasons.
So you couldnt pickpocket it.

Though I do love how TES fans go to great lengths to retcon so that what we see in game actually matches lore.
It means there is a dedicated fanbase

Same for that very confused speech of Mankar. Its there because of a developer mistake. But the people here, me included, love trying to find ways to fit it into the lore

As for the champion of Cyrodill being a dragonborn, the PC was unable to equip the amulet.
I dont think this was for gameplay reasons. The game mentions when you try to equip it, and it says you failed.

Erm... there was no need for him to have the amulet at -all- if they didn't want the player to TAKE it.


They distinctly chose to have him WEAR it... as in put it on and USE it...

That leads me to believe that he has to be one of the rare few individuals who is capable of doing so...

I really don't think he wore the amulet so we couldn't pick pocket it. If that was the only reason they could have just made a script so it appeared in his inventory once you started the paradise quest. Or, just made two separate Mankar Camoran NPC's.

Besides, who is to say the Camoran line wasn't Dragonborn? The only evidence we have for or against it is the fact that he is able to wear the amulet. Which lies in favor of Dragoborn.

Yes there was, if he didnt have it, how would you be able to retrieve it in paradise?
The gameplay reasons are sound.

This does not mean that a lore reason cannot be found.

That's not true, though.

There are plenty of instances where items are applied to the actor (be they NPC or the Player) through script. Hell, they could have just had a quest update say "Hey! Camoran is dead. Add "AmuletOfKings" to Blah blah blah".

Instead, they chose to put it -on- him. As in having him wear it.

Wouldn't it be more likely that they MEANT to do that... than that some poor schlub just couldn't figure out how to keep the item from being pickpocketed? I mean, there's actually a CHECKBOX to prevent it in the editor, if I recall correctly...

That is a very good point.

I guess all the Daedric artifacts are added through a script?
You dont pick em up, you activate the shrine and they appear in your inventory.

Hmm, interesting..

edit: this is where I got the idea from that its for gameplay reasons, its from an UESP talk page.

"No offense to you all, but I believe you guys are over thinking this. I would categorize this as a bug. The actual item, "Amulet of Kings", is an equippable item in all regards. However, due to the script that is placed on the item, it is unequipable by the player. BUT, NPCs are scripted by default to fill whatever item slot they don't have anything equipped to when they come into possession of that item. So, Mankar would automatically equip the item because he has no amulet on him, and he's supposed to have the amulet in his inventory."

Wich always made sense to me.
Hmm.

Aha! You see...

That's exactly what I'm saying. If you use Occam's Razor as your guiding principle... and consider the many already-existing ways that the devs have to add an item to an NPC or Creature after they're dead in order to keep you from pickpocketing an important quest item... and then take into account that they chose to have him WEAR the amulet rather than use one of those established methods... leads me to believe that the simplest answer is that they -wanted- him wearing the Amulet of Kings.

Anything else, and there would have to be some reasoning behind it... like... Developer Guy #4 couldn't figure out how to flag an item so as to be unable to be pickpocketed or something silly.

Simplest answer: He was meant to be wearing it.