I'm guessing they'll be put in Alteration.


Which, considering what other spells Alteration usually has, makes it a very very useful magic skill.

Soul trap will definitely still be in the game, reanimate wasn't in oblivion except for the Staff of Worms but they might add reanimate back into the game with Skyrim, time will only tell.



I was thinking reanimation and soul trap would fit better in conjuration or Illusion than alteration.

"Best RPG of all time" is a chimera in my book. Does not exist because you can't measure all the components of a game for an objective comparation. Comparing the story, the atmosphere, the depth is harder than comparing the stats systems or the dialogue trees. I could never say "Planescape Torment is better than Morrowind which is better than Baldur's Gate which is better than...". They were all huge and they all shaped my gaming experience in different ways and trying to classify them would mean that I will try to minimalize some of the things I LOVED and appreciated at some point of my life just because I NEED to order things that can't be ordered. This is maschism I swear.

For me the best rpg of all time is MY OWN EXPERIENCE with the worlds of ALL rpg's that I ever played and enjoyed. So it's a very personal and deep and unexplainable mix of what was best in Tes, Gothic, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate, The Witcher, Arx Fatalis, Fallout.

Its getting folded into another magic school, but I agree. I had plenty of role-plays that relied on Mysticism.

Judging by the poll the Bethesda Hype Machine is doing its job well once again.

OK, people need to calm down a bit here. Also a reminder that avoiding the automatic language filter can result in a formal warning/suspension. If you're in doubt that your word will be automatically filtered, please rephrase your sentence.

Thanks to everyone who has responded calmly and politely when tempers have flared.

I'll hug you Princess_Stomper! :hugs:

dude mysticism had such a cool effect when you casted risen flesh that purpleish distortion and now there taking it away? i cant believe this crap and where did you hear this anyway? so what mysticism just ceases to exist now even though it actually falls into some skills better that the other schools well 100% better then other schools because it is the only type of magic of that type you cant put the concept of stealing a soul basically channelling energy to yourself from something else and raising the dead from channelling that energy in to an inanimate corpse making it animate that does not fit att all telekinesis too how is that alteration you are not altering any physics of the object you are moving you are simply moving it not altering it and i could go on and on about how much bull [censored] this is but i dont even have anymore smokes right now and im am getting very pissed off and i would like to know how you came to know of this.

70% at a push and fantasy RPG's is a common field so It would really depend on the game mechanics then gameplay basically 40%-65% chance

The GameInformer article, obviously. Mysticism has been removed, it's spells likely spread throughout the other schools, which now, once again, include Enchant.

Might and Magic VII is the best rpg of all time and still hasn't been beaten. This one can't do it either, even if I think it's going to be better than Oblivion.

Skyrim the best RPG of all time?

No chance.

There is, although, still a fine chance of it being a decent RPG.

I still think your missing the point. The magic school Mysticism is gone. The spells that were within Mysticism are still in the game. Risen Flesh must be an addon you use because in oblivion, they didn't give you reanimate, they gave you the Staff of Worms to basically be it's proxy. In skyrim I'm not sure if they will bring back reanimate or bring back staff of worms but a reanimate type spell will most likely be in the game in one incarnation or another.



Personally I think Daggerfall was better than Might and Magic VII, but as others have said in this thread, this is an impossible value to discern whether it will be the best RPG of all time because everyone will never agree to which game is the best due to many factors. But the pessimism on a BGS forum about BGS games is just astounding. You guys can't just think everything is going to be bad if it's not Morrowind. Morrowind is the root of all evil, apparently Dagoth Ur corrupted and twisted too many people on this forum into monsters that hate any game buy Morrowind. Very Clever Dagoth Ur!!!!

what the hell are you talking about it doesnt say anything about mysticism removal all it talks about is the february release of the magazine.

yeah but it wont truly feel like it should and mysticism was my most beloved skill and even the name mysticism it is an art that is not easily learned

seemed to me most of mysticism spells were practically "alteration"...they altered stuff.


no point in seperating 2 utility schools especially when they basically did the same thing in meaning...altering things.

The February edition of Game informer is already out and in the information of Skyrim they removed mysticism as a magic school and put it's spells in other magic schools. All your favorite RP spells are still in the game, don't worry. If you want all the information about the new game http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1156912-skyrim-information-compilation-and-explanation/



Well as Todd Howard said, Mysticism just seemed redundant as a magic school because magic is mysticism.

okay are you saying i cant name my class as necromancer or dark sorcerer? someone anyone please answer me now before i smash my fist through my monitor.

Not sure as of now. We are pretty sure that there are no defined classes anymore but we can't be certain. You don't really need to name your character a necromancer or Dark Sorcerer, you can just think of yourself as one. They removed the class system because it was too restrictive to character development. The new system will let you be what you truly want to be but if you decide you want to change to a different skill set you won't be locked to the Major skills you would've been in the other games.

It's not like anyone in Oblivion was able to call you by your class anyway.

yeah but i want stature i cant be some nameless man running over mountains if im a necromancer no one will know who i am what i do im a nobody a beggar i need to be able to open my menu and see my class it just wouldnt be right, i see there gonna turn this beautiful game in to fable 2 i cant believe this horse [censored]

yeah but a player has to have a profession a title and my title has always been necromancer and now i lost one of the most great elements of my favorite saga, this horrid news has just dimmed my spirits for the new game, and with such new restrictions i bet their not even gonna add the lich, their just gonna keep the same old boring albino with a bad case of pink-eye and maybe the semi-cool lycan well this news has just shattered my dreams to pieces and i guess i shouldnt expect anything i was hoping for because they have robbed me from my original foundation of what i thought made a great game, choice and originality.

Oh, grow up. You can still be whatever you want to be in the game; Bethesda has only made a more natural system that doesn't lock you into one class you choose at the beginning of the game.

Chance of being the best of all time? lol wut? For me an RPG insinuates that you have a party of adventurers embarking on a grand quest or someone to role play with. I categorize TES as adventure games with rpg elements.

I still have my nerd dice and a D&D gaming group, those are the best rpg's I've ever played.

Opinions are subjective, and everyone has them. But really, in twenty or thirty years do you really think Skyrim will be mentioned by any but the most hardcoe fans of the game? Not a chance.

Well...
Seeing as we will most likely get less rpg elements this time (all games seem to be moving away from the rpg part) i would say very unlikely.
We will see snow in hell... There will rain yellow pigs, and the sea will turn into chocolate all at the same time before this is the BEST rpg of all time.