@ TDW

A Skooma overhaul is an excellent idea :hubbahubba:

Would be awesome to get on a f*cking weird trip after 3 bottles of skooma and find yourself in a strange world with talking bunnies and flashy colors for a hour or two (game time)

Sounds cool....hopefully it will be done

@Illuminiel: To be honest, my problem is that the average of what I see in the MW section of this forum does bore me to death in these days. I wished there were some more crazy people doing something which I havent seen already a gazillion times!!!

I'm not claiming to be the artist of the century, but at least I try out some new things as far as my skills let me do.


About concept art I can only say so much that most times it is far more amazing than what is made of it in the end. The gaming industry has to earn money with their products and so they have to please all you people's likings. And the more they do that, the more boring and lame the sequels get. Same is in car industry, music industry and whatever. Shapes become smoothed and washed out, melodies become generic and mainstreamy. Well, it sells, but for me this is a shame. I'd rather have some game with some exceptional artworks plus some utter rubbish than a boring colorless soup that suits the masses.


TheDaywalker :rock:

Yup, that's what I was saying. It's apparent that the original concept for Morrowind was a lot more alien and bizarre then what we got, but I don't think it's a problem really, considering deadlines and technical limitations and such.

I think Bethesda would have followed the concepts fully to make the most bizarre place they could, if they could though.
I doubt it was more generic = more money, because to me Morrowind isn't generic anyway.

I was just saying that projects have to be coherent, not that you have to dumb down your concepts, guys.

Listen daywalker, I can understand much of where you are coming from, as I have always had grand dreams for any mod I work on. Even when I was completely unknowledgeable about the CS, I wanted things like a grave yard that vanished during the day, but could be explored at night, or an underground world ran by a long forgotten god who got stricken from history by the others.. it was to be like a reverse world of the top lands, where instead of bread on plates you'd find bone meal, and certain sectors of cites would be ran completely by the undead.. with fully working undead vendors and the like. Of course, OB came out and made that idea mush, but all is well. I could have never got the team I needed for all the work it would have required.

If you read many of my suggestions online, you'll find they are about raising living cites or some likewise thing. I too like involved things. For example, a house mod to me just isn't enough.. I want a reason to go home and stay there for awhile, not just a pretty loot dumping ground. And if I am master of the manor, I want all that comes with it. If I have status, it must be reflected. So I get it.. really I do. It would indeed be nice to see more inventive mods. I've been around lonf enough to remember when you could barely post an idea because you might get flooded out by other people's posts. Things have slowed a lot..

But when you start using terms like "you people" and "colorless soup for the masses" you come off as rather elitist and I for one do not enjoy it. We may not ban together in the way you might hope, but that is no reason to lord over others and start calling them names. And I fail to see why "the gaming industry" is even relevant in your post. It should be obvious, but gaining money is not why we mod, we do it for a love of the game. We are not modding MW for a sequel either. This isn't OB or FO3.. we aren't working on the next elder scrolls installment. We do it because we like MW. All that was meant was even the pros must comprise to achieve goals, so it's pretty apparent that some give and take is necessary in any project.

Btw, sure the gaming companies may indeed water stuff down, and this bothers me too, but what does this have to do with the subject at hand? I don't see them touching MW, do you?

:violin: Go find another game to mod if the mods here bore you.


Then do it, but don't expect people to fawn all over what you're doing. If you're modding for respect and/or admiration, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Hmmmm

Well I think this thread should end. This thread was not about if morrowind will still be modded in X years. Or if the Morrowind community was dying. It was not also a place to express "dislike" of certain areas of the community or to jump all over a persons point of view.

I was congratualting the community that they are, slowly, but surely, heading in the right direction for a more utilised modding community. Where everyone uses there skills to better a mod.

But i guess i jumped up too soon. Seems like there is still some tension and frustration in the community

I expected better from some of the people that posted in this thread.


Looks like i was proved wrong :shrug:

Maybe in another year or so.......


=MA=

I personally don't really mind what the Community actually thinks but I have always done what I wanted to, ever since I arrived here and I've been here a long time. I remember the last time they changed the forum layot, it was... chaotic as well. My point is that I think while I agree with a lot of what you say I think that one of the great things keeping the community alive at all is letting people do what they want, there is no-one to tell us what to do, and sometimes there comes these wonderful whackos like Lady Rae and Brash or other people with unique ideas and make something nice from it, you can't expect the same from everyone because everyone will do what they enjoy. Some are lore purists, some are original crazily skilled like yourself and some people just want to play around and some people have huge ideas that will fall flat because this was their first taste of modding, there is nothing wrong with that I think.

Sure it would liven the place up with some crazy WIPs, that is true but I'd rather enjoy the quality of work we have right now. I think that while it's difficult if not impossible to get a team together, it doesn't really matter all that much because if you need anything very dearly it is very seldom that you do not receive that specific help. I try to help out wherever I can with the tings that interest me, sometimes I just end up to lazy to actually follow through, some times something nice comes out of it. (Lightning mesh and texture is one of those collaborations that comes to mind). So in a way we are all like a team, that is my perspective.

Oh and also something important, answering some post in this thread saying something kind of like "There are so many better engines today that it's easy to choose say Oblivion or more recent to create what you want, or create your own" Well, I don't agree to that at all. When I realized my WIP was not gonna cut it for old MW i made a huge mistake. MW has a friendly community and the editor is easy, not logical always but easy. Everything else I tried during these years (Seven I think) has just been so much more work and much, much more difficult.

MW is really an amazing stepping stone.

@Midgetalien
I think it sparked some very interesting thoughts. The forum "maturing" does not mean we will let go of all our thoughts and beliefs we still have our opinions. I would also congratulate us! There is no other forum where I can feel as much as home as these.

I feared that this thread will turn in a mud wresting area when I've read the topic yesterday....but I've hoped it will come different

Unfortunally it is the same as it ever was

Ok, let me explain. First, why do most people visit a modding forum and post their work? If they just loved modding, the could do it for themselves and wouldn't need a platform to present their work at all. Are those people addicted to giving away their work for free in order to make others a pleasure? I don't think so? Most modders/ artists visit forums to showcase their work and most likely want to get positive feedback. That's a part of human nature, we do something and want to be rewarded for that in what way ever. A good critic is a positive experience and you want more of that...

To get good critics here, you gotta present something the people like. And if it is "grey soup" that they like , you're supposed to deliver that in order to get some positive feedback again. Most people here do either that or even worse have no fantasy at all to do something different from that.

Second, I'm talking of "you people" cause obviously I'm not sharing the opinion of the average folks here. You may think I'm a troublemaker an idiot or wannabe, I don't care. You people here have got so much used to be only talking in phrases like "good job", "this is awesome", "keep up good work", that you almost cannot cope with someone who talks to you like a real person. I don't want to offend anybody in person here, but I cannot be always nice. Modding is my hobby and my hobby is real, but this forum often enough feels to me like a giant roleplay (in fact the best TC I've ever seen ).


EDIT: Yeah, close this thread plz and let's all enjoy the singing birds and butterflies again!!!


TheDaywalker :rock:

I know, when i made the thread I did have a slight fear, but i thought my expectations that i was stating in the OP would have been enough to shine through it all. I was clearly wrong, and i very disapointed in some of the views expressed in this thread and the actions and attitudes some people have expressed to other memebers.

But I stand by what i said: The community is changing, but perhaps it needs more time to mature.

Ha, we'll always argue, don't let it get you down Midge.
You should kind of expect it with threads about the modding community too. :hehe:

Buuuut.... yeah, this thread should probably be closed now, it's getting pretty OT.
Here's a turtle to cheer you up though. :turtle:

I Agree :foodndrink:

:D yay a turtle!!! Thanks Dirnae :hugs:

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, and i am not going to deny them that or say anything against it.

I expected some debating as well

But the topic has gone wayyyyyy of course and people are missing the point of the thread and would rather moan about the state of the modding community and whats wrong with rather than just for once can we have a thread that actually makes us all step back and go: "oh its not that bad. Sure theres holes but its a pretty darn good place"

You know more of a half full than half empty aspect? Just for once?

There was those kind of threads way back usually they carried the title of "thank you to all modders" which exclusively says that it's a "thank you thread" I think a lot of people read the topic and simply expressed how they felt the community has changed.

With that being said, there's no turtles in Sweden but I can spare a :spotted owl: because we've got lots of birds these day. And you can also have my :ninja: because he doesn't like to live with me any more O_o

Cheers!

(And yes, my concencus is that we may lock this thread down).

How about you go back to ruining vanilla cities and making bunny rabbits as well, DW?
It feels good to be honest.

ok thats was uncalled for. I am requesting the thread to be locked before this turns into flaming!

the thread was a nice idea, but i dont want it turning nasty.

Thanks for the :spotted owl: and :ninja: C_Mireneye

I could open a zoo.....

Errr.... nice Krovosos, I was kind of hoping we could end this thread on a light note at least. :blink:

@MA: But pessimism is so fun!

Well, on the brightside, I'm pretty sure most of us think it's a pretty darn good place, I sure do. :foodndrink:
With the friendly members, cool mods, and the sharing resources and all, it's a nice place to be, else I wouldn't be here.

Well, if TDW can post his honest opinion then I can as well. I wasn't really trying to flame him, I actually like the bunny mod he was making, but the tone I got from his last line just ticked me off.

Sorry for that outburst, again..

It can still on a good note;

:intergalactic:

PARTY! :foodndrink: :celebration: :foodndrink:

ok the thread has gone further more of topic, its been requested to be locked. Shall we all leave it at that?

Done