Changing appearance mid-game

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:10 am

I have to say, I don't get why you guys are against it. The lore states that only few being could change their appearance completely, but does it also say that being can't have their appearance changed by some other means, for example, some one mutilates other person with a mace? Will the person look the same after that? Honestly, I have no idea. If so, then I agree with you, there should be no facial alteration.

But if yes, people can be mutilated (broken noses, jaws, such things) permanently, thinking facial surgery as a form of facial mutilation might help with the lore concerns.

And forcing people to live with completely visual choices is just petty. But if there is already some lore against such things, changing that shouldn't be done, because after that, everything could be changed to make game more "friendly".

Its because they thought it was something new, its not.

Not sure what was wrong with the lighting in previous character creations.


You must of never played Oblivion or New Vegas then. NV being the worst, you look totally different inside than you do out. Also, if you dont like it, then dont use it. We have had brain surgery for thousands, but a little face lift is out of the question?
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:55 pm

Yeah and according to Todd Howard, you'll only have to choose your characters race/appearance at the start of the game. (source: podcast)
If you don't like it, you can restart the game and make a new one. Like five minutes lost.


So what's your problem with this, again?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:47 pm

....Really? Ok, when your in character creation and making fine tuned adjustments to your characters face, you can be beating yourself in the face with a mace to change it. "Am I pretty yet!?!" *eye ball hanging from the socket*


Oh, please. What else is facial surgery that cutting ones face and then patching it up in another way? And with healing magic I think they could do it even better than in real world. Atleast faster.

Unless the universe forbids such things...
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:48 am

So what's your problem with this, again?

Is this towards me? If so, then read previous posts :rolleyes: Plus it takes a lot longer than 5 minutes to get my features the way I want them.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:34 pm

Is this towards me?

No.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:46 am

No.

Then I recant my previous statement.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:41 pm

Firstly, it doesn't make sense in a lore standpoint, there is no place you can magically transform yourself at will. Second, it ruins the replay value. Why replay your character when you can keep making your character look different. If you can change you looks later in the game, why take time to make your character look good and unique at the beginning of the game? It ruins immersion and doesn't fit when you can just start over if your really that unhappy with your characters look.



so you WANT people to have to restart if they simply want to change the LOOK of their character? I'm sorry but that is ABSURD and makes no sense. It's just wasting time. You don't like it? Fine, don't use it, you can restart to make a change. Meanwhile for people who want to change their character slooks, because it's a freaking rpg and people change their looks all the time (do you still look the same as you did 10 years ago? Prolly not).

This has absolutely NO affect on the game, having to restart a game to change a visual cosmetic thing seems completely POINTLESS to me and just plain annoying, it serves no logical or important purpose.

People should want to replay the game to play a different type of character, one that makes different quest choices, explores things differently, build them toward a different skillset, etc.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:58 am

That's not really why we want it, plus read the earlier posts, its capable to do without magic. Like magic needs a precedent though. :rolleyes:


Yes, yes it does need precedent... Also, sure they had facial "surgery" in ancient times but not to the precision that people want.

Oh, please. What else is facial surgery that cutting ones face and then patching it up in another way?


Why can't people realize there are no surgeons or doctors in Tamriel, especially not cosmetic surgeons <_< The only thing Tamriel has is healers that tend to use magic or potions to heal, not morph someones looks. Why can't people get the fact that changing the way you look is in the realm of gods in TES, not the person down the street with enough septims...

This has absolutely NO affect on the game, having to restart a game to change a visual cosmetic thing seems completely POINTLESS to me and just plain annoying, it serves no logical or important purpose.


It has plenty of an effect on the game. The devs would have to code in a new option into the game to allow you to do this at will. That takes away from features that I don't know....actually matter and are useful? As you said, it's only cosmetic. I don't see why you can't get it right the first time around, I mean all you have to do in the beginning is choose your race and what your character looks like. Is that really so hard you can't get it right the first time around? If you go outside and you find out your character doesn't look the way you liked, then start over the 5 min and do it again if your really a stickler about looks. I plan on making my character look exactly the way I envisioned the first time around because I'm not lazy...
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:57 am

hair and tattoos. that is all. but to be honest even tattoos should have some sense of permanency. maybe ways to add to your character based on faction. like a tribal brand, or a certain type of mandatory military haircut. im rambling..its late.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:35 pm

Firstly, it doesn't make sense in a lore standpoint, there is no place you can magically transform yourself at will. Second, it ruins the replay value. Why replay your character when you can keep making your character look different. If you can change you looks later in the game, why take time to make your character look good and unique at the beginning of the game? It ruins immersion and doesn't fit when you can just start over if your really that unhappy with your characters look.

On pc it's as simple as open the console and type showracemenu. Has done it with lots of characters, mainly because it took a long time learning the Oblvion face creator and I wanted to start the game not using a hour tweaking the character.
Xbox and PS3 players don't have that option.
Yes changing race or six might screw up starting attributes, spells / powers and relations, in fallout 3 it was purely cosmetic.

And no problem hiding the face change away like an Easter egg, visit a witch in a remote location, get her to like you or do a mini quest like giving her five grand soul gems to change appearance. You will not notice it unless you play the game for years or read a guide.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:13 am

Yes, yes it does need precedent... Also, sure they had facial "surgery" in ancient times but not to the precision that people want.



Why can't people realize there are no surgeons or doctors in Tamriel, especially not cosmetic surgeons <_< The only thing Tamriel has is healers that tend to use magic or potions to heal, not morph someones looks. Why can't people get the fact that changing the way you look is in the realm of gods in TES, not the person down the street with enough septims...


No, it really doesnt need a precedent. They add things that have never been talked about in lore to the new games all the time. Again, your under estimating the ancients. They did nose jobs, facecelifts, even tummy tucks. Still, its a game. If they dont give us adequate lighting in character creation then yes, some sort of editor is required. It can take me hours to get a character right. Honestly, the only people that could be against this is A. people who dont care what their character looks like, so they think other people shouldnt either. Or B. Didnt know it was possible.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:47 am


Why can't people realize there are no surgeons or doctors in Tamriel, especially not cosmetic surgeons <_< The only thing Tamriel has is healers that tend to use magic or potions to heal, not morph someones looks. Why can't people get the fact that changing the way you look is in the realm of gods in TES, not the person down the street with enough septims...


Maybe things change in 200 years, healers start doing such things, and that invokes the wrath of Alduin... Would be one lame storyline, but anyway.

Maybe it started with practice of fixing faces after brutal Nord duels, and developed into a art of facial alteration. And it might give some interesting flavor to it, when a servant of the Nine gets all raged up when he sees people doing such things.

Why is it so evil to add new lore to help people making the character they want? (I am not even sure if it is new lore, but anyway.)
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:38 am

On pc it's as simple as open the console and type showracemenu. Has done it with lots of characters, mainly because it took a long time learning the Oblvion face creator and I wanted to start the game not using a hour tweaking the character.
Xbox and PS3 players don't have that option.
Yes changing race or six might screw up starting attributes, spells / powers and relations, in fallout 3 it was purely cosmetic.

And no problem hiding the face change away like an Easter egg, visit a witch in a remote location, get her to like you or do a mini quest like giving her five grand soul gems to change appearance. You will not notice it unless you play the game for years or read a guide.


Console is a terrible example as the console is meant to debug for us modders, not to be used as a cheat tool which most PC players do. It's not meant to be used for playing the game. I don't like it going against the lore. At least easter eggs in the past have fit in the lore, this would not. I still don't see why people can't get it right the first time or start over if shortly after they start the game. I mean if you really played the game for hundreds of hours and you didn't have a problem with the looks before then you don't need to change them some other time.

No, it really doesnt need a precedent. They add things that have never been talked about in lore to the new games all the time. Again, your under estimating the ancients. They did nose jobs, facecelifts, even tummy tucks. Still, its a game. If they dont give us adequate lighting in character creation then yes, some sort of editor is required. It can take me hours to get a character right. Honestly, the only people that could be against this is A. people who dont care what their character looks like, so they think other people shouldnt either. Or B. Didnt know it was possible.


Yes it does need precedence and seeing as how morphing physiology has been talked about alot in lore and all of it was gods doing it (with the exception of the Ayleids) it pretty much says that it's impossible to do willy nilly. They aren't required to give you anything. If they wanted to make the character creation template pitch black where you had to guess what your character would look like, that's all they have to do. You act like your entitled to every little tiny feature that is trivial and not worth the time because your buying the game. All BGS owes you is a game that gives you $60 worth of gameplay which it will have way more than that worth, so they don't have to give you trivial little features when you can just drop your OCD and get it right the first time around. I don't see how you could get a character so wrong that when you go out in the light it looks hideous.

Maybe things change in 200 years, healers start doing such things, and that invokes the wrath of Alduin... Would be one lame storyline, but anyway.


Also, I'll reiterate again. We shouldn't warp the lore so that we can fit in some tiny, useless feature. The game should be molded to the lore not the other way around. People seem to think that 200 years makes such a big difference. The only period in time were 200 years made a significant difference was in the last 200 years. That is the only time in human history that 200 years had a significant effect, so "it being 200 years later" is not a good reason for something magically happening that hadn't happened in millenia since the dawn era.

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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:44 am

Maybe they could add lightsabers and flying spaghetti monsters too. The lore doesn't say they aren't in.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:24 am

Not to mention there obviously are surgeons in Tamriel. The games represent a world too vast to put into a game. Its pretty logical that there are doctors and surgeons in Tamriel somewhere. Not all 'healers' use magic.

Maybe they could add lightsabers and flying spaghetti monsters too. The lore doesn't say they aren't in.

terrible anology was terrible.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:15 am

I don't really want to be able to change hair, if I make a character I'll stick to it, but it won't really bother me if it's in there y'know for people who do want to use it.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:18 pm

terrible anology was terrible.


It's a perfectly reasonable anology using the logic given why magically morphing your physiology would be within the lore. You guys said if the lore doesn't say it doesn't exist then it is possible. Thus lightsabers and flying spaghetti monsters are reasonable with that train of thought. You can't have it both ways in your argument.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:51 am

OK, it seems facial alteration is against the lore, or atleast some people think that way. At any case, maybe if they added a CHEAT for facial alteration. It would just open the face menu.

Then I could be the evil cheater and lore breaker as much I want.

Now that I think about it, I would prefer it this way. I could do the terrible deed faster.

EDIT: I mean adding the cheat to console version also, PC most likely has the console command.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:33 am

It's a perfectly reasonable anology using the logic given why magically morphing your physiology would be within the lore. You guys said if the lore doesn't say it doesn't exist then it is possible. Thus lightsabers and flying spaghetti monsters are reasonable with that train of thought. You can't have it both ways in your argument.

Why do you keep going back to magic? Its capable without magic. The anology is terrible because there has never been light-sabers of Spaghetti monsters in reality, but there has been cosmetic surgery. Again though, the lore changes/gets updated with every new game. Not to mention you cant sit down and write the workings and goings on of a whole planet. Its just a game. There is no feasible argument against it. Your just mad/against it because you thought it was a more contemporary procedure.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:42 pm

Not to mention there obviously are surgeons in Tamriel. The games represent a world too vast to put into a game. Its pretty logical that there are doctors and surgeons in Tamriel somewhere. Not all 'healers' use magic.

Not to mention there obviously are lightsabers in Tamriel. The games represent a world too vast to put into a game.Its pretty logical that there are jedi and sith in Tamriel somewhere. Not all magicians use magicka.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:37 am

Maybe they could add lightsabers and flying spaghetti monsters too. The lore doesn't say they aren't in.



terrible anology was terrible.


Really? "They add things that have never been talked about in lore to the new games all the time." :rolleyes:
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Why do you keep going back to magic? Its capable without magic. The anology is terrible because there has never been light-sabers of Spaghetti monsters in reality, but there has been cosmetic surgery. Again though, the lore changes/gets updated with every new game. not to mention you cant sit down and write the workings and goings on of a whole planet. Its just a game.


There was never cosmetic surgery in the past that could fine tune it like you can today in cosmetic surgery. Also you have to realize that Nirn is a completely different world, there are no surgeons on Nirn, there are only those that use magic to heal or potions to heal. I've never seen any lore on cosmetic surgeons in Tamriel because they don't exist and it's just ridiculous to think there should be some plastic surgeon on park avenue in Solitude...
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:01 am

It's a perfectly reasonable anology using the logic given why magically morphing your physiology would be within the lore. You guys said if the lore doesn't say it doesn't exist then it is possible. Thus lightsabers and flying spaghetti monsters are reasonable with that train of thought. You can't have it both ways in your argument.


Hear hear

Honestly I thought this Poll was a bit of a joke and it's turned into quite the issue.

LETS HAVE EVERYTHING AS AN OPTION JUST IN CASE I MAKE A MISTAKE...
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:28 am

Yes for hair. No to the rest.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:55 am

Hear hear

Honestly I thought this Poll was a bit of a joke and it's turned into quite the issue.

LETS HAVE EVERYTHING AS AN OPTION JUST IN CASE I MAKE A MISTAKE...


lol exactly. "Oh I got killed by that creature but I didn't want it to happen that way. I want a Do-over button, I deserve it!!!!"

Surgery is reasonable, flying Spaghetti monsters are not. Never seen kids (until Skyrim) in an ES game, or six. Must not happen then right?


Except children have been seen before and in stories....so yeah...
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