Changing appearance mid-game

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:22 am

Really? "They add things that have never been talked about in lore to the new games all the time." :rolleyes:

Surgery is reasonable, flying Spaghetti monsters are not. Never seen kids (until Skyrim) in an ES game, or six. Must not happen then right? LOL at people thinking its a do over, or thats why we want it. Its if they dont have adequate lighting! That's their fault not ours. Its obvious you guys dont know how the real world works and that everything in Tamriel, if it was a real place, cant be interpreted into a game. Its also obvious that the people that dont want it, most likely dont care about their characters appearance. Because if you did, you would want adequate lighting, or 'surgery' as well.

Peace out.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:48 am

Surgery is reasonable, flying Spaghetti monsters are not. Never seen kids (until Skyrim) in an ES game, or six. Must not happen then right? LOL at people thinking its a do over, or that why we want it. Its if they dont have adequate lighting!


I've yet to see inadequate lighting when creating a character so I would assume they would have adequate lighting in Skyrim too. If people are really going to complain that their character doesn't look the same in a dark dungeon with nice torch lighting as it does in the sunlight outside then.....wow. What if we create a character out in the daylight? Then when I go into a dark dungeon, my character looks hideous? Is that a reasonable reason to ask for wasted development time to redo my character? No, it isn't.

Edit: It's almost 4 in the morning here so I'm going to go to bed lol. Nice debate all.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:12 am

I think this is a great example of the "Don't like it? Don't use it" argument working and making sense. Just have some NPC somewhere who's sole purpose is to alter your character's appearance. Don't involve them in any quests, don't give them any interesting dialogue, but instead make sure that the only reason somebody would interact with them is to change their appearance.

I fail to see how making this an option could make a player's game experience quantifiably worse, but I can easily see how this could make a player's experience quantifiably better.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:31 pm

Surgery is reasonable, flying Spaghetti monsters are not. Never seen kids (until Skyrim) in an ES game, or six.


Never read "The Real Barenziah," eh? It had both.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:46 pm

"Its if they dont have adequate lighting!"

The beginning of the game won't have adequate lighting, but at plastic surgeons there will be.

Or more like:

The beginning won't have adequate lighting, therefore the developers need to add plastic surgeons with adequate lighting.

Come on...
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:34 am

Never read "The Real Barenziah," eh? It had both.

TRB didnt have flying spaghetti monsters that I remember. Which part?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:35 am

TRB didnt have flying spaghetti monsters that I remember. Which part?


He meant six and children <_<

Ok, I'm going to bed for real this time, you guys keep dragging me back in with the enthralling conversation.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:07 am

I've yet to see inadequate lighting when creating a character

Again, you must have never played Oblivion or NV then.

Never read "The Real Barenziah," eh? It had both.

I said in game, not in lore.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:48 pm

Again, you must have never played Oblivion or NV then.


Except I have on both occasions and have seen nothing wrong with the lighting. Maybe it's because I have perfect eye sight or something, I don't know. Seemed just fine to me having a torch completely lighting the face with full light in Oblivion.

I said in game, not in lore.


Technically it is in game, find the books on the shelves, it's a great read.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:39 am

Why not have an amulet, staff or ring that has this as a power. There is precedent for this as we have had Hircine's ring and Wabbajack both of which completely change someones appearance.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:36 am

Except I have on both occasions and have seen nothing wrong with the lighting. Maybe it's because I have perfect eye sight or something, I don't know. Seemed just fine to me having a torch completely lighting the face with full light in Oblivion.



Technically it is in game, find the books on the shelves, it's a great read.

Then your an exception, its a common complaint with both games I mentioned. I have perfect sight too, but the lighting definitely does make a difference.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:00 pm

Why not have an amulet, staff or ring that has this as a power. There is precedent for this as we have had Hircine's ring and Wabbajack both of which completely change someones appearance.


Hircine's ring has to do with a Daedric Princes disease he had created that transforms people. This is the realm of a god and it's never been permanent. Wabbajack only affects creature but also it is temporary. The issue is here that a constant spell effect would need a constant source of magicka which wouldn't be possible. Like I said, even fantasy worlds have laws of reality.

It was a nice idea though :wink_smile:
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:29 pm

I think this is a great example of the "Don't like it? Don't use it" argument working and making sense. Just have some NPC somewhere who's sole purpose is to alter your character's appearance. Don't involve them in any quests, don't give them any interesting dialogue, but instead make sure that the only reason somebody would interact with them is to change their appearance.

I fail to see how making this an option could make a player's game experience quantifiably worse, but I can easily see how this could make a player's experience quantifiably better.


Because the point of Bethesda's games is to make an amazing world for you to get lost in and create a hero, or even an anti-hero, or even a wimp. The fact is, it's the world they create that counts. If i knew there was some guy, in some hut, who could do things like that. It would cheapen the experience for me.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:02 am

I only had issues with lighting if I tried to edit my face at the sewer exit in Oblivion. No issues otherwise with Oblivion or New Vegas.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:37 pm

Because the point of Bethesda's games is to make an amazing world for you to get lost in and create a hero, or even an anti-hero, or even a wimp. The fact is, it's the world they create that counts. If i knew there was some guy, in some hut, who could do things like that. It would cheapen the experience for me.


^^^THIS!!!! This would really detract from the feeling of your character being real if you can just change it at any time.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:13 am

Hair - yes.
Race, gender, etc. - no.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:49 am

Back to magic as a surgical option. Its very plausible as well. Alteration most likely. If we can have a magic that alters time, then we can have aesthetic magic as well. This is all moot if they just give us a good character creation area though. If we have good lighting, I wont care about surgeons etc.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:44 am

Hircine's ring has to do with a Daedric Princes disease he had created that transforms people. This is the realm of a god and it's never been permanent. Wabbajack only affects creature but also it is temporary. The issue is here that a constant spell effect would need a constant source of magicka which wouldn't be possible. Like I said, even fantasy worlds have laws of reality.


Not necessarily. What about the Damage Attributes effects? Sure, there is no cosmetic change to your avatar, but it really doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination that a huge Damage Strength spell cast on your character would physically change them, and having those effects put on you didn't require a constant source of magicka. Why not just go one step further and say there's a spell that changes your character's face/appearance and actually have it show cosmetic effects on your avatar?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:56 am

Yes to beards/hair. No to all other.

While it was a nice touch in Fallout 3,it just wouldn't have any sense to be able to visit a "plastic surgeon" in a medieval/fantasy setting game. Unless the "plastic surgeon" was a dragon and he used his claws and teeth to make you pretty...or not.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:44 am

Not necessarily. What about the Damage Attributes effects? Sure, there is no cosmetic change to your avatar, but it really doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination that a huge Damage Strength spell cast on your character would physically change them, and having those effects put on you didn't require a constant source of magicka. Why not just go one step further and say there's a spell that changes your character's face/appearance and actually have it show cosmetic effects on your avatar?

An interesting proposition. surgery under the destruction magic (not for the player though).

Yes to beards/hair. No to all other.

While it was a nice touch in Fallout 3,it just wouldn't have any sense to be able to visit a "plastic surgeon" in a medieval/fantasy setting game. Unless the "plastic surgeon" was a dragon and he used his claws and teeth to make you pretty...or not.


Read the previous posts, cosmetic surgery is not out of the realm of possibility.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:08 pm

^^^THIS!!!! This would really detract from the feeling of your character being real if you can just change it at any time.


Yes, I agree with this.

That is why the facial change should be an optional "cheat", because some people feel the character is real, even if they change his/her eyes or jaw a little.

PC already has this, but console don't. I can change it with easy command, so why couldn't a player on a Xbox or Playstation do that too? A simple face menu without race and gender won't mess up the game.

Please, don't say it is the priviledge of PC...

Putting some NPC would take a little of the development resources too.

EDIT: I still stand with my statement that there could be facial surgery too, but honestly don't care if it is in or out.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:25 am

Hair - yes.
Race, gender, etc. - no.

That what I think and voted for. I still think you could fit the others in the game and explain them, I just would have no use for them! Not sure why you would want to change a character you have invested hours into! And if you haven't invested hours then its not that much of a big deal to start over.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:14 am

Because the point of Bethesda's games is to make an amazing world for you to get lost in and create a hero, or even an anti-hero, or even a wimp. The fact is, it's the world they create that counts. If i knew there was some guy, in some hut, who could do things like that. It would cheapen the experience for me.


Yes, but arguably not being able to change your character's appearance cheapens the experience for other people. As much as everybody would like to see the perfect game for them, it's important to remember that Bethesda is developing this game not only to create a great game, but also in the hopes of selling millions of copies (nobody sets out to make a commercial failure). I'm not saying that not being able to change my character's appearance on a console would be an absolute deal-breaker for me, but it's not a particularly hard feature to implement that I imagine would please some people, and not particularly bother many other people.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:15 pm

That what I think and voted for. I still think you could fit the others in the game and explain them, I just would have no use for them! Not sure why you would want to change a character you have invested hours into! And if you haven't invested hours then its not that much of a big deal to start over.

It is if it takes around an hour or more to make your character. Just add an option that once you leave the dungeon, prison, that you can change your appearance for a final time. then again some people like to 'age' in RPGs, another reason to add it, though I dont care about this.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:45 am

^^^THIS!!!! This would really detract from the feeling of your character being real if you can just change it at any time.


Exactly. Since when has starting over been a chore in a TES game? Man, i think i'm losing touch with the scene, and i'm a game designer!! Ha
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