From my experience with TES lore I have read about a few transformations and slight shape shifting if I remember correctly. So the main question is , is it possible in TES world to change your six via magic? Because people have become liches at least they can become the opposite six or different race all together......so can it be done?

Personally, I don't see why not. Just because it doesn't have a practical use in-game doesn't mean it's outright impossible.
At the very least, I'd imagine there's been transgendered mages who have researched the topic extensively, even if they haven't been sucessful.

And besides, who wouldn't want to be an Argonian? Those smooth scales, shapely tails.... lovely fins....

Yes yes , it make a good fanfic ( wouldn't be surprised if there was one ) or a quest in a future game........like I said necromancers can become liches at least a very well trained mage can become the other six at least.

Hard to say. Shapeshifting in general is very rare; I don't know of anyone other than the Glenmoril witches who've done it, and they're also vampire/werewolf-cure level magic users, so obviously not your average mages. Ayleids are mentioned as having sort of "invented" Alteration and could change their bodies, but to what extent isn't really described (just that they used it for disguise and were not capable of becoming animals). Short answer, it could be possible, it's magic after all, but it would not be something just anyone could cast.

Alternatively, something still not easy but probably more possible, would be a body-swap. Everyday mages can capture souls, and someone becoming a lich is basically taking control of their own soul and letting it magically continue to "live" inside a dead body. On that thought, a mage might feasibly "de-soul" a target body and inhabit it as their own.

Argonians change gender as they age, possibly more than once, but it has more to do with the nature of their unique biology. This isn't typical of other races on Tamriel, although it could be copied by magic I'm sure. If you can turn invisible you can change your gender. That second one seems the least of the two feats.

Invisibility is an illusion. Changing your gender would be more of an Alteration spell than an Illusion spell.

As for the Argonians, we've only one piece of evidence, which has not been elaborated on, alluded to, or even directly mentioned, at least as far as I know. Quite frustrating, to be honest. If any such reference to it exists in The Infernal City or anywhere else aside from the racial description of Argonians in Morrowin, I would love to know of it.

True, but I'd expect any dialogue that made it into Morrowind would be of at least a moderate level of canonicity.

Jagar Tharn changed his form to look like Uriel Septim during the Imperial Simulacrum. So if you could change your form to look like a completely different person of the same gender, I don't think it'd be too far-fetched to assume you could change your form to look like someone of a different gender.

Who's to say there aren't surgeons who can do such an operation? Unless the contrary is implied or stated outright, then there must be. Why is magic even necessary?

There aren't really any surgeons in Tamriel that I'm aware of. It seems most healers rely on Alchemy or the school of Restoration to heal most wounds. I've read references to bandaging and mending a broken leg before, but never anything complicated like the removal of organs.

The whole thing about magic being real, common and practical in Tamriel means their society advanced in different directions from ours. You ask "why use magic instead of surgery?" I ask "why would surgery exist or be common when there's magic?"

Assuming you're talking about surgery to change genders, aren't hormones also involved? I doubt technology in Tamriel is anywhere near that advanced.

I don't know, because such a task would require a visit to the Mages Guild (unless the op is comfortable doing it themself [this is so weird]), which is probably more costly than what a surgeon could do? I really don't know. Forget I asked.

Jagar only created illusion of Uriel's appearance.
But I think that Vivec is exactly capable of shifting his six. Though, maybe more then magis is neccesary for this.

The only account I can remember about gender switching was when Vivec turned a Yokudan king into a women, and made love to her. Here's the quote:

Then again, Vivec is weird, and isn't some mundane wizard.

Vivec is a hermaphrodite, so he's both at the same time.

If I remember correctly, MK somewhere described him as "phase-shifting tranny", . Maybe I'm mistaken, of course.

Huh... maybe they should ask the mages of Albion how they did it. I'd totally move to Nirn or Albion if that happened.

@Hellmouth: Most of us prefer the term "intersix". True hermaphroditism is almost impossible. ;P

But this is Vivec we're taking about, so it's not exactly far fetched.

I think I need to take a break from video games. The distinction between fantasy and reality is dwindling...


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Maybe I'll just blame it on immersion mods.

You could say the same thing about real-life six changes. Why go see a surgeon when you could just learn how to do it yourself on Wikipedia?

Yeah, that's what i'm saying.

We've seen nothing to suggest that the changing of one's form (be it gender or purely cosmetic, a la plastic surgery) would be anything BUT an illusion. The quote from the 36 Lessons that Hellmouth posted might be the only indiction, but even then it only says that Vivec "chose a king for a wife," not that he made said king into a woman. Since Vivec is a hermaphrodite, "wife" doesn't have to mean a female, but merely a companion or spouse.



Wikipedia has instructions for that sort of thing? :blink:

"Those kings, they aren’t dunmer, they’re raga. No, they’re women, see. All of them is with child." -sword meeting

looks like the V man got tired of poppin' them out and delegated the duty.

Ah, forgot about the Sword Meeting. Good catch. :thumbsup:

Looks like it is possible, then. Or at least it is if you're a god. Maybe Divayth Fyr could do it, too, but then again why would he want too?

You never know.

Yeah, he seems perfectly satisfied with his opposite gender clones.

Also , could the daedra considered with not be ether male or female too? I know the princes can be whatever they want to be , so could the same apply for their minions?