well, for one thing it si very immersion breaking being in a world where everyone has pretty faces. it confuses me how bethesda shy away from adding nudity yet want to make everyone beautiful!. and secondly its not lore wise with some of the races. dark elves (the worst offenders) are supposed to be CURSED with their appearance- not generic beautiful elves with a strange skin shade! "dark elves" should have bad skin,strange piecings, long ears that go backwards rather than short ears that go up. perhaps they should have a more skeletal appearance and have sharp teeth?


argonians need to look alien and khajits need to look more like cats!

orcs should not follow tolkien,warhammer,green elves or wow but instead their own design. bethesda need to think "orsimer" and not "orc". give them leathery skin, prominent bones facial bones and narrow eyes, i actually don't care- just don't give them round faces, gigantic muscles, large tusks and a horrible green shade.

as for the human races- humans are ugly! they need warts and skin conditions! as for the elves- elves should really have members of very old age with extreme wrinkles! elves need pointier ears and
whatnot!

lmao.... the gaming industry is just as vain as Hollywood I reckon. You make a valid point, but I cannot see the devs intentionally making the masses look like people from the movie http://www.ablog4guys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/wrong-turn-3.jpg.

What??
I think people are strating to run out of things to whine about...
In Oblivion everybody looked ugly, not that correct ugly where they need to be ugly but just "wrong" ugly.
So they are going to fix that, but if you are saying that everyone will look Johny Depp and have rainbow on them, link please.

Yes.

It's no more realistic to have everyone be ugly than for everyone to be beautiful, in real life, both ugly and beautiful people exist, with most people being something between hideously ugly and divine level of beauty, maybe leaning towards one side or the other. But if we can't have this realistic a level of variety, I'd much rather play a game where everyone is beautiful than everyone is ugly, at least the former is more pleasant to look at.

Not sure what you're worried about, though, it's not like Bethesda has ever been known for creating extremely beautiful character faces, in fact, they've been criticized many times for failing to do so. Granted, Skyrim is supposed to improve on the character models, but that doesn't mean they'll look good in the way we might say someone we met looks good, just good in the sense that the models are well made and detailed, at least compared to past games.



If you didn't tell me otherwise, I'd have thought that was Gollum, or one of the troll-goblins from Troll 2, can't say I've met too many, or any people, actually, who look like that in real life though.

You ever been down south?..

:brokencomputer: You should replay oblivion and tell me again that everyone had pretty faces. Because if you can do that with a straight face, I wouldn't know what to say. Also Argonains are reptilian/amphibian in nature, NOT ALIEN! :flame: Hopefully they'll actually look reptilian and not fish faces from oblivion.

Oblivion had plenty of ugly people.

Remember that bald guy you try to save from the loan shark? And his wife? And that old lady in the house for WHODUNIT?! quest?

Orcs?

I can name a few more.

Hang on, we've only actually seen one person up close right? The woman in the bar.

Lets wait until we see some more.

Argonians and Kahjiit are beast men, not beasts.
Dunmer and Orsimer are still just altered Elves, and quite a few of those I've come across look pretty cursed to me, especially with that wierd Mr. Whippy haircut.
Ifyou get a disease, go to the chapel, get cured, have a population with better skin than Earth history allowed.
If I spend an hour or two in Facegen, my character deserves to be stunning, nothing less will do.

I didn't mind the faces, but how come every frail old man and beggar has a six pack?, Where are all the Fatties?

The game needs a bit of both i reckon. In oblivion people looked quire ridiculous, most of the ugly too. In Skyrim i know there will be good looking people, but i'd like it to have uglies too .

Strangely enough, most people tried to "fix" anything close to what you described with "beautification" mods. I wouldn't mind a more nitty-gritty world, but without anything too drastic.

The curse that made the dark elves was to turn them dark, not disfigure them. Normal elves wouldn't find this change in skin tone attractive more than likely as creatures of the same race are genetically inclined to find similar looking members of their race to be attractive (of course in our day and age, people have experimented enough that more and more people aren't bound by such things). As described on the UESP-

Sounds a whole lot like the curse of Ham... :confused:

Oblivion had *inhuman* faces, never mind just ugly. Variety is awesome, there should be beautiful people, and there should be monstrous people, and there should be everything inbetween.

Man, i already live in a world with ugly people. I want to escape to a world full of beautiful people!

What you described is closer to Tolkien than what BGS have actually gone for. And besides, Orcs are elves. Read the lore. They got transformed into brutes when Boethiah ate Trinimac, so it makes sense for them to look like corrupted elves and not advanced goblins.

Same as LotR lorewise then

The problem is that past games didn't allow for different characters to have different body shapes, so no matter what people's faces and hair were like, everything below the neck would look the same, but fortunately, Skyrim should fix this.



That's true, Dunmer are supposed to be dark, they have dark skin and red eyes, we're told that this is what they're cursed with. It's never mentioned that they became ugly in other areas beyond that. Besides, we already have a different race that was originally elves who became ugly due to events involving gods. You know, they're called orcs.



Similar, but not identicle, but that's beside the point, Lord of the Rings orcs, at least the design they decided to go with in the movies, are really not how I want my orcs to look, not because they're ugly, though they are, and orcs aren't supposed to be pretty, but because I'd never think they were orcs if the characters didn't call them that. Plus, they looked like some sort of hideous monster, and that's not what the Elder Scrolls orcs are supposed to be, they should be ugly, but still something one could relate to, not something you'd expect to be killing.

Correct, Khajiit and Argonian walk upright and have human sized brains this changes how the head look, Khajiit in Oblivion actually look to much cat to be realistic. Yes they could simply have larger heads, but this would require a far more muscular body.

And as you say disease is not a problem with healing magic, probably less diseases than in US or Europe today. On the other hand scars would be common as it’s a violent place.

Loads of ugly people in Oblivion, the npc you interacted with was uglier than general probably as the easiest way to make people memorable was to make them ugly.
Also true in Fallout 3, the raider ladies looked far better than named npc.

This is the main thing, I think.

Beauty (or lack of) isn't really relevant until a game has character faces that are recognisably in proportion, well textured and modeled; Oblivion's weren't, for lack of a better word, realistic enough to really be considered beautiful or ugly: they were universally wrong-looking.

I'd say http://cdn.medialib.oxm.co.uk/screens/screenshot_17302.jpg screenshot alone should quell our fears - variety, but with sufficient graphical fidelity that the beauty or ugliness of characters is both subjective and recognisable. The woman sweeping the floor certainly seems to be more plain than the Nord lady in the foreground, and the bartender there isn't exactly Johnny Depp, but none of them are inhuman in terms of facial features.

Beauty is subjective, and I doubt they would have got rid of the wrinkly, aged faces. With any luck, the new face gen will mean people look more lifelike, which will mean that people do look beautiful or ugly, as opposed to... odd.

Hmm things could be worse.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uE423KxXqg

You call it odd, I call it looking like a raisin and a baboon hooked up.

It was not their intention to make the characters in Oblivion ugly and yet they were ugly. This time some of the characters will be beautiful and that's great from my point of view. Everyone being beautiful is not a concern for me because in my eyes only humans can be beautiful, so there will be a lot of ugly faces too.