This is one of those things that has actually kept me from using these kind of mods for char gen in the first place. I think race and birthsign bonuses should definitely be accounted for, preferably even in the custom build versions of things if at all possible to do.

You know, I've spent the last 3 days trying to patch Eisenfaust's mod into yours... and then you go and update it and do it as well!!!

A few things,

• is it possible to delay the actual chargen a little bit? I have all-sorts of mods starting early and the dialogues stack up quite quickly. The next thing I was going to put in my own patch was to bring back Jiub; the player activates him when ready, who then uses his first spoken question to start the process, then doesn't see him again. Sort of like "are we still dreaming here?" from the movie. What do you think?
  
• Also, for Journal Enhanced players, could you maybe add misc_inkwell and misc_quill to some of the starting equipment or locations? It can be a pain trying to track a set of these down as the only merchant guaranteed to have them is Arrille in Seyda Neen.
  
• Finally, on locations, I think it's great that we already have a fairly neutral range of areas all over the island with nothing too outlandish like falling from the sky. I would definitely like some more Azura's Coast/Ashlands/Molag Amur start points though. I like the kidnapping idea, and maybe also starting as a bandit in the "Valley of the Wind" is another way (might I recommend Tin-Ahhe, as it's fairly small and has low-level other bandits).

Thanks again for the update! looking forward to trying it out!

The lack of racial bonuses and the option of doing the original start is what has kept me from using this mod. If you added it back in I would play it. (Er. Assuming it works with GCD...)

The way it was done before was to actually edit the racial bonuses out. All I would have to do is get rid of the edits from the esp.

I will go ahead and add them back in then. Should still work with GCD.

@angrysquirrel
I'm a bit unsure of what your asking for. ^^" The CharGen takes place within Chargen. Most (and I really mean most) mods check to make sure that CharGen has ended before starting. Did you just want the process stretched out a little longer?

I havn't tried CR with Immersive Chargen yet..Suppose I'll see what happens when I do.

Hey Pwin, the ESP has some dirty refs, but I wanted to check with you and make sure which ones were and were not required -- if there are any that should *not* be cleaned out.

File: CharGen Revamped v2.3 [gman21, ed. Pwin & Eisenfaust].esp==============================  deleted SCPT CharGen_ring_keley  deleted SCPT CharGenBoatNPC  deleted SCPT CharGenBoatWomen  deleted SCPT CharGenDagger  deleted SCPT CharGenRaceNPC  deleted SCPT CharGenStatsSheet  deleted SCPT CharGenStuffRoom  deleted SCPT CharGenWalkNPC  deleted ARMO fur_greaves  deleted STAT in_hlaalu_doorjamb_load  deleted NPC_ chargen class  deleted DOOR in_v_s_jaildoor_01  deleted STAT ex_de_oar  deleted DOOR CharGen Exit Door  deleted DOOR chargen door captain  CELL  12  -1, Molag Mar Region  CELL   9  15, Grazelands Region	deleted CELL   9  15, Grazelands Region			  ; empty cell  CELL   4  -7, Ascadian Isles Region	deleted CELL   4  -7, Ascadian Isles Region		  ; empty cell  CELL   2 -14, Ascadian Isles Region	deleted CELL   2 -14, Ascadian Isles Region		  ; empty cell  CELL   1  -7, Ascadian Isles Region	deleted CELL   1  -7, Ascadian Isles Region		  ; empty cell  CELL   1  -8, Ascadian Isles Region  CELL   1 -14, Ascadian Isles Region	deleted CELL   1 -14, Ascadian Isles Region		  ; empty cell  CELL   0 -14, Bitter Coast Region	deleted CELL   0 -14, Bitter Coast Region			; empty cell  CELL  -2  -9, Seyda Neen  CELL  -2 -10, Seyda Neen	deleted CELL  -2 -10, Seyda Neen					 ; empty cell  CELL  -6   3, Bitter Coast Region	deleted CELL  -6   3, Bitter Coast Region			; empty cell  CELL  -7  -6, Bitter Coast Region	deleted CELL  -7  -6, Bitter Coast Region			; empty cell  CELL -11   8, West Gash Region	deleted CELL -11   8, West Gash Region			   ; empty cell  CELL -13  10, West Gash Region  CELL Seyda Neen, Census and Excise Office	deleted AMBI	deleted FRMR 119513, ex_nord_door_01	deleted FRMR 119654, light_com_candle_07_64	deleted FRMR 321375, misc_com_redware_bowl_01  CELL Vivec, Hlaalu Prison Cells	deleted AMBI	deleted FRMR 407591, bk_V_hlaaluprison  CELL AB2 Start  deleted INFO 23291351271929511			   ; Caius Cosades  deleted INFO 2124530673720831903			 ; the Empire  deleted INFO 3253423749290424070			 ; Morrowind  deleted DIAL Caius Cosades						   ; empty dialog  deleted DIAL the Empire							  ; empty dialog  deleted DIAL Morrowind							   ; empty dialog==============================Saved: Clean CharGen Revamped v2.3 [gman21, ed. Pwin & Eisenfaust].esp

Awesome, I will probably be grabbing this as soon as that version is out (as I really do like the Racial/Birthsign bonuses). As such, I may need to get into contact with you at some point to try and ensure this will be compatible with my Character Backgrounds mod I am working on (though I may be able to just ensure it once I get my hands on your mod).

Another question, do you think this would be compatible with Balor's Leveling Mod?

Thanks for reporting that Gluby. ^^" But...I honestly don't know what any of that means. :confused: I think I understand it after looking at it for awhile. Looks like its saying my mod has these entries marked as 'modified' but doesn't actually change any of these things and should be deleted from the esp. I'll look over it just to make sure. I did notice last night that for some reason the Quick Beginning option wasn't working for me for some reason.

Edit: Thanks for pointing all that out Gluby. Mod is cleaned and will update later tonight with the racial bonuses.



I'd be glad to try to make them compatible. As for Balor's Leveling Mod, I've never actually taken a look at it. I've only heard of it a few times. I'll take a look at it, but it should be.

No worries! I'll down it and test it out when you get it back up.

(Oh, and that report was out of TESTool (using restricted dialog and cell cleaning).)

That would be great if you did get compatibility with the Balor mod, love that one myself (though if it is too much work, I understand whole heartedly). Anyways, I will probably take a stab at it anyways if the bonuses are coming back

Upped. Racial Bonuses are back and cleaned using TESTool.

Grabbing it now for my next build, but if it stays this way, I will be getting updates too

EDIT: Actually, PES seems to not want to let me download it at the moment, giving me an error - blah

Tried taking another stab at it here today, and it seems I still get the FilePlanet error on this one, others on the site seem to be working fine.

Ditto.

Weird. I'll try and reupload it then.

Edit: There. Its working this time (just tried it myself).

Yep, sure is :goodjob:

Woot, gonna go grab that then, thanks Pwin!

Good evening.

I'd been having trouble with this mod, and finally found the conflict. If you ALSO have The Goblin Lab (v1.1 at least) installed, TGL's menu messes up CR2.3's menu. It still pops, but none of the choices DO anything, leaving you stuck in that little room...forever. It's not likely to be a common enough problem to patch around, but it might be worth a mention in the readme. Un-marking TGL to get through chargen seems to fix the issue cleanly.

Rochndil, who still has some fog colors to tweak...

Thanks for letting me know. I'll mention it in the readme and see about a patch.

Sorry about leaving the mod so unfinished and half broken.

I'm fixing up the mod. The least I can do is patch it up. I feel bad about leaving this mod half done.

I had everything patched up and working correctly once before and had meant to upload it but I ended up loosing the file. So I've started working on it again.

So far I've managed to:
Fix Quick Start
Removed any unfinished beginnings
Re-added the Starting Item menus.

Am still working on:
A bug I found with Captain Gravius. He defaults to the Siege at Firemoth quest start as his greeting even if you've just started the game. I don't know why and I can't find this greeting anywhere.
Re-doing the Readme as was suggested way back.

Once this last bug is knocked out and I re-do the readme I will call it done. I kinda just want to finish it and get back to the game. I may try and get a compatibility patch going for Immersive Chargen. We'll see.

Pwin,
I started a new character using this mod and could not leave the census office after talking to Selus Gravious( I hope I spelled his name right?} When I click on the exit door to Seyda Neen, it tells me I still have to talk to Selus about my duties. But I have and also my journal is updated correctly. Just FYI. Tried 3 times with the same result.

Raed

Seems the issue with the captain is why I can't leave the office.

Sorry for the stupid post. :banghead:

No, thanks for telling me. I had forgotten about that problem and was considering updated the mod on pes and just ignoring the issue with his greetings.

Pwin,
I actually got past the Captain problem, but now I found another one. If you try to go back into the office, it CTD's. Oh, I noticed that the prison ship is still docked. The guard on the ship and the guard which greeted you when you came off the ship are in their starting positions. I walked up to the dock guard and he started the greeting script and asked where I was from. :laugh: Then I followed him to the office which crashed when I tried to enter. Shouldn't the prison ship be not be there?

Raed

It really shouldn't be there...I havne't run into /that/ one yet...

If you don't mind, I would like to take a look at the scripts that run the chargen. Mind you, I am no modder, but I do like to tinker.

Raed