Haters gonna hate :wink_smile:

Bunnyhopping and dolphin diving would be a lot less frustrating if they had actual downsides instead of some nearly undetectable inaccuracy factor.
Ever tried doing a dolphin dive with a 3-5kg gun/whatever in your hands? I'm not saying it should be completely realistic (in which case you simply wouldn't do one, ever) but make it have reasonable downsides, for example a dive should make you unable to fire for a short while.

If it exploits a flaw in the developer's design, it's cheap imo. Shooting through geometry, messing up hitboxes, altering hit detection etc.

ha ha there was alot of falling out and then kissing and making up going on.

Ok,i have a thorn in my side called spawn camping,i see some feel it as a valid tactic but i have 1 last question.Isay last cause http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1179699-ethics-in-games/page__hl__ethics+in+games i more than anolyse about it so.

Firstly keep in mind that this is Brink,not just any other FPS you have played till now.This means you have seen/read Dev interviews and how they feel and why they created this game.

My question to those who think spawn camping as something legit is :

Why http://bethblog.com/index.php/2011/05/06/on-the-brink-pt-1-campaign-and-freeplay-overview/ in the bottom right corner there is a warning saying :

"It is possible for suicidal Security forces to breach this deployment zone,dodging the turrets...etc..."

And ofc why you think they added turrets in spawn places?

First I should say, although I may have already said it in this thread, I think it's shameful from the perspective of gaming in general, but I do have a perspective on it as being a "legit" tactic.

In serious competetive play finishing the game off quickly is generally a goal. If the opposing team is incapable of exiting their spawn, or chooses not to (the other form of spawn camping) it is to the benefit of the stronger team to take it to the enemy spawn and finish it.

SD is aiming Brink at a wider audience than just the most competetive of players and so they have done a multitude of things to protect a weaker team or weaker players from those competetive players. They minimized OHKs as well, but that doesn't mean they believe that the tactics that lead to those are not legit, simply that they are not right for this game's atmosphere.

Ok,i can understand that i am not competitive,i wouldn't be even if i could (personal reasons),so i can accept competitive vs casual players,BUT since Devs decided to take these steps it means that taking out this "ability" to spawn camp makes a game far more enjoyable and also,as u said,the wider audience means the majority of the players,so i'm feeling very good the majority is not competitive

The game is going to get some competetive players as ET:QW did, and there are definitely going to be players that test the limits of the spawn defenses, so be wary, but yes it should be more enjoyable than some. Plus with the small numbers and team focus your team should be doing their best to keep it clear anyways.

I... I have to admit, in TF2 I have been guilty of this on a couple of occasions.. Until I noticed that a spy was literally waiting for me to keep coming back..

Stabbed Knocked me out of that nasty little habit. :glare:

Well when I play SWAT on Halo, the people who jump up and down to avoid getting shot in the head are pretty cheap. I could do just as good or even better than them while staying on the floor while I shoot people.

Wow... I am kind of glad I did not get to this thread early, lots of people already corrected the OP. But seriously... learn some gaming history of the FPS variety before claiming Halo started ANYTHING. If you're to young... then simply dont open your pie hole.

This. Definitely this.

m8 relax,we're all humans,we do mistakes (some don't(?)),we can discuss,if u are older in age u should know politeness works miracles no?

Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0

I made an account too just to reply to this. If theres one thing I hate its people whining about what svcks in a game.

Fact is as long as your not cheating/boosting/glitching then its an acceptable tactic/game play style. People always talk about whats not really a tactic or whats cheap. But how accurate is that? People don't like snipers because they camp. And yet in real life snipers camp...for days none the less. Or the issues of strafing...I mean really? So in real life people don't try to doge bullets? Huh?

Now I am not saying somethings aren't annoying like bunny hoppers. But its still a tactic/strategy.....whatever. From my 29 years of experience it seems like the only tactic people DON'T mind is just running in guns a blazing with a assault rifle. And frankly thats not even realistic. Course when you say that people say "Games aren't meant to be realistic!", despite the fact games are meant to feel real and most developers (aside from fantasy ones) like realism. Thats what draws us in at times.

I play most of the FPS's everyone likes from Halo to COD to Brink (soon enough). And in all these games everyone hates everything. But I don't think of people who hate these tactics as stupid, no that would be mean. I think of them as just not SMART enough to understand what skills or even what tactics means. They tend to be die hard rambo type people who think as I said, guns a blazing is the only tactic. And usually with this people they have a hard time thinking outside the box. And IMO seem a little slow. For lack of better words lets look at "Heavy Weapons Guy" from Team Fortress 2. That is how I picture most players. They don't know anything about skill or tactics. They skip using their brain and instead use brawn as if in a game that really matters to some degree!

BTW as for something like spawn killing. Thats a tough one. To some degree it is a legit strategy. On the other hand it does often feel cheap. But I say don't be mad at the guys who do it. Be mad at the developers who don't fix that problem by just making you invincible for a few seconds or something like that. Poor gameplay is the developers fault not the gamer who is just tying to do what he can to survive in it.

On a side note if anyone doesn't like all these kinds of tactics, go play Americas Army Online. That will prove to the world if you REALLY can play. Gung ho people die and never return to that game lol.

from what i've seen, the turrets aim down hallways, and the only one with a chance to get past them would be a speed-buffed light, but from waht i've seen, those turrets could probably tear through a health-buffed heavy like the Gunny through a watermelon, so i doubt anyone could actually get past them, even in a bum rush.

I have to admit that this thread has some of the dumbest comments I have seen in this forum since I joined. Half of those stupid comments come from people calling other people stupid. oh the irony. And let me just clarify that im not talking exclusively about the OP, but many others that I will not call out because I dont feel like 'trolling' more than i already did.

I would love to see someone be able to actually hit anything with a weapon when their bunny hopping, strafing, or dropshotting in real life. Good luck.

I don't know or this is mentioned before, if so i'm sorry, but in brink spawncamping is impossible, coz at either deployment areas are indestructible turrets which automatically kill every enemy they see. i don't know or you can get past them if you are disguised, but i don't think so, that would be unfair

I wouldn't be surprised if someone found a way past the turrets, im not saying they will but it wouldn't be the first time someone has outside the boundaries on a map. I doubt a disguised operative could get past the turrets, there'd be no point as you cant capture a teams main CP. At least Splash Damage are doing something to discourage this type of play.

Bunny Hopping doesn't work in modern shooters because there's a delay to jumping, and your speed is reduced on landing.

Strafing is not a cheap tactic, it's a basic and common one. It's how you avoid getting shot in most shooters before counter strike.

Drop-shotting aka putting your head into the enemy's bullets. Because giving them headshots is wise. Also, lowering your movement speed. This doesn't work.

Campers- hold your ground and insult those who complain about you. Powerful psychological warfare. The real answer to camping is, what are you going to do about it? That and smoke grenades which have existed since counter strike. Camping isn't a problem, an unwillingness to use smoke grenades is.

Spawncamping- ah yes, in quake 3 when you know where the spawn points are and just killed someone, firing at a nearby spawn point might get you free damage. Also common in mw2 with tactical insertion.

Strong Side- I never head of this before. Taking advantage of the model leaning its head forward. that's brilliant!

Yeah, its from Halo 2, obviously named after an MLG pro player Strongside. 1 shot to the head of an unshielded player will kill him however it takes 2-4 to the body after the shields gone, so if you are losing a fight turn on your opponent and look at the ground. Really good move for getting out of a bad or deteriorating situation. Obviously though itll only work in a game with the same mechanics as halo and so far halo 2 is the only game that i know of in which you can use it.

It was like watching a soap opera, except in a more boring text-based format.
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I'm an early 90's kid and I find the OP's post to be horridly wrong. Age has nothing to do with it, methinks. Just how well versed you are in video game history.

Bunny hopping was not "created" or at least as far as I know. In Valve game's it was only possible through exploiting a glitch. Also known as strafe jumping.
Strafing is not cheap, it's not anything, it's a damn movement function.
Drop shotting, never heard of this, but in games with prone I can see it's use.
Camping is not from any game, it's just a way people play as defensively as possible.
Spawn camping isn't from any game again, it's just killing people in their spawn while play the area.
Strong side thing I don't get, it won't do anything in all the games I play.

Bunny hopping doesn't really exist in any modern games, so it's a non-issue, strafing is about as cheap as jumping, or shooting. Drop shooting is a result of poor game design, and I doubt many games will suffer from it in the future. Camping is just a very defensive way of playing, personally it's a little stupid, good players shift positions after kill to maximize their life times. Spawn camping is 9 times out of 10 just a bad team getting owned, and they are crying.

None of these "tactics" are particularly hard to do, and actually hinder players who do them (bunny hopping is actually difficult, but it doesn't really exist anymore). Skilled players actually have very dynamic and adaptive game styles, you do not see them doing any one thing overly.

I can't stand campers, the only two reasons people should ever camp is when they are reloading or sniping but besides that you freaking idiot for camping, and I will throw a gernade every chance I get, if you run I am going to snipe you in the head.... :bolt: