6 "Cheap tactics" In gaming history

Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:22 pm

Notice that some people think some things are cheap that other's think arent ;)

I personally don't think any of these tactics are cheap... Except camping

Also, camping is shotty in corner hiding for your life, not keeping map control... Don't confuse the two.
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Sharra Llenos
 
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:38 pm

1-3 are counters to cheap OHK head shots, and especially no scoping. They are basic tactics.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:47 pm

Notice that some people think some things are cheap that other's think arent ;)

I personally don't think any of these tactics are cheap... Except camping

Also, camping is shotty in corner hiding for your life, not keeping map control... Don't confuse the two.



Actually,"shotty in a corner hiding for your life" is just that. Camping is the act of setting up shop in one area and encompasses a wide variety of legitimate actions as well as things like hiding in a corner.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:35 am

A lot of people didn't read the end of the post for some reason.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:36 pm

yeah defending is not camping, hanging out at the base on capture the flag to stop enemies stealing the damn flag is defending. standing in a nook in the hallway and faceshotting everyone who runs past is camping. the first is good strategy the second is just poor map design and a pathetic player.

the second example has little hope of happening in brink as said face shot will only annoy the other player and even if the first downs the other player he's only attracted the medics who may have gattling guns and grenade launchers for just such occasions.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:54 pm

Note: these tactics are considered "cheap" to a general audience. Many old school gamer's view them as a fact of gaming and use them in their daily routine.

1) Bunny Hopping
- Originally created in FPS's for the PC, used to help avoid being shot in a time where precision meant almost everything. (From Quake and No One Live's Forever. Used as a final jump to avoid a headshot from a Pistol from Halo 1, called the "ghandi Jump") Edit: Also used to help increase speed in shooters such as Quake

2) Strafing
- Ties in with bunny hoping, helps avoid being shot (halo and counter strike) Edit: not as cheap as some other tactics, but still seperates the skill gap of players.

3) Drop Shotting
- Originally from COD series, helps you duck under bullets, can also be used as a crouch to avoid a headshot (Crouch from counter strike and Halo)

4) Camping
- Originally from Counter Strike, "It's a legitiment strategy!" (Originally from Quake according to Puka)

5) Spawn Camping
- Originally from Halo (from my knowledge) Used to get a first shot on an enemy as soon as they spawn in. There may have been spawn camping in quake and unreal tournament, but I'm not sure. Edit: Spawn Camping was originally from Quake.

6) Strong Side
- Originally from halo, look down while running away to avoid getting head shotted.

Now, most of these tactics are considered "cheap" to a general audience mainly because they don't know how to propperly use them. When used right, enemies will more than likely "rage" from the game or call you a "hacker". However, when it comes to a "pro" look at it, these tactics take skill and add a large measure of degree to a game. It's what seperate seasoned vets to wimpy 12 year olds. Their the reason why game's that "take skill" are so well respected. Even though you may see these tactics as "cheap", just know that they work and are used to help seperate the skill gap of players. These tactics along side with map control have been a large part of gaming and should be respected as such.... Except camping... Camping just svcks. :spotted owl:

Agreed! I could'nt of said that any better.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:59 pm

Camping is a flawed concept on so many levels, when movement is so vital to survival in the fps genre, sure youll get a few kills but youll also have a crowd of angry gamers chasing you.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:40 am

A lot of people didn't read the end of the post for some reason.


The post was edited
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:27 pm

The post was edited. Twisted didn't make the ending part until many people had already posted


Anything I edited I put edit in. Ending was there the whole time.

Now the start I added because people had nerdgassams over thinking I thought they were cheap tactics.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:59 pm

Strafing only when it's socom where they can just stop on a dime and move to other side, and spray like mad (Even thou the funniest tactic is just stand there and shooting them in their legs :P)
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:39 pm

Strafing only when it's socom where they can just stop on a dime and move to other side, and spray like mad (Even thou the funniest tactic is just stand there and shooting them in their legs :P)


Forgot about Socom... Only played it once tho.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:35 pm

I basically think of it like if it was a sport. like take bball for example a player can drain 3 all day and break peopls ankles, he should use his skills because hes practiced and has became good at it. same goes for a videogame.

Like take this senario as an example two players are in a gun fight they both duck to cover to reload a smart player knows he has options. fall back let the enemy come to him (result called a camper). flank around (result called a [censored]). take him head on, win or lose most likly to result in being called a [censored] and another option is take him head on but insted of just walking out of your cover you jump in the air and land in a prone position, disorients and confuses the enemy (results in called a hacker).

aint it great what the video game community has came to no respect and if you have skill your a cheater,hacker [censored]

PS any one else crack out the old system w8n for ps3 to be back up
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:46 pm

"It's a Legitimate strategy!" Red vs blue ftw!!!
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:29 pm

For the record, Battlefield invented dropshotting long before COD did.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:06 pm

"It's a Legitimate strategy!" Red vs blue ftw!!!


I'm sooo glad somebody actually got that
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:47 pm

I think the only cheap tactics out of the bunch are camping, because that's not just a tactic it's a playstyle for people who can't win in head to head fire fights, and spawncamping because, well, it's obvious. The rest of those are actually very fair and useful tactics that can be countered.

Camping isnt cheap. Its smart.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:45 am

Camping only exists in pubs.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:05 pm

Not really use to #3 being referred to as drop shotting. Groups I ran with usually just called it ground h**ping.

1.) I don't really have a complaint on this in relation to it being a tactic...only that it just looks so goofy. Most people likely complain about it due to its break in realism and thus the immersion they're trying to accomplish while playing the game.

2.) Strafing...well, until we start operating our torso's separately from our legs, then it's our only choice in realistic combat, otherwise we'd all be running away or straight into the fray like madmen/women.

3.) Drop-shotting is perfectly fine. Most annoying part of it I see is when coming around a corner and someone instantly drops to the floor and just sprays. If you don't have anything to take cover behind, should you really just stand there and be turned into Swiss cheese?

4.) Camping - Well, seeing as how Brink is an objective based game, certain missions will require camping to be most effective. If you're on the rushing team and are trying to take objectives, but you decide to camp...well, that's a shame. I'm sure your team will appreciate your hard work.

5.) Spawn Camping - Well, good luck with that. I'm assuming we'll be choosing our spawn points if we have multiple (like in ET:QW), then if there's spawn camping going on at a forward base, then all we have to do is switch to either an earlier spawn or at least the starting spawn, which is well guarded.

6.) Strong Side - Just 'lolz'. Not at the idea of it, just at the people who begrudge it. Think about it; if you were running away and getting fired at, would your keep your head as high as possible? No, you hang it low and in some cases, might even try to cover your head with your hands. This is just the game equivalent.

Edit: The part about drop-shotting when meeting someone at a corner wouldn't really even work well in Brink, given the number of shots it requires to kill someone. Not only that, but after the first second of "wtf", you'll be a sitting duck just lying there. My advice is to not turn it into an instinctive response upon entering all combat situations, only the ones taking place in wide open areas, and even if then, only for a split second while you gather your senses. There's probably a reason the devs advise us to keep moving.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:00 pm

Camping isnt cheap. Its smart.


Well that depends on exactly how your doing it. If your waiting in the corner for helpless souls to come along to blast them to bits, it's cheap.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:51 pm

there really isn't any such thing as a cheap tactic. i remember playing H:CE and getting banned for warthog fish-tails, banshee swooping and strafing, and tank sniping (meaning i grabbed a sniper rifle and drove a tank into a corner, blasting people away and hopping out with the rifle if someone had a rocket launcher. everyone said they were cheap tactics, but i said they were skill
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:52 pm

Well, I wouldn't say there's no such thing as a 'cheap' tactic. I mean, if there's a tactic that gives you an enormous combat advantage with absolutely no practice, yeah, that'd be cheap since it wouldn't cost you much in the way of time to achieve it. I do think if we're to use that terminology, though, we should define "Reasonably Priced" tactics and "Lose My Shirt" tactics.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:30 am

Weirdly enough I don't find "Camping" as a team annoying. I would call it locking it down. I've had games in COD where My team would be losing horribly (Honest to god one game was 3200 my team 7000 theres) and my team would pull it out because of "Camping" The way I feel is that if you completely dominate an area it isn't camping so much as holding an area. All the greatest warrior's in history concur that strategic positions are more valuable than numbers (Usually). Now do I get pissed when someone is staying in a corner all game with models and no one can get to him.... yeah but that is him locking it down, the un skilled (no offense i've been there many a time) consider it cheap where in reality it is strategic. Now lag switches, mods, and aim bots are cheap. But I don't believe that tactics are ever cheap. Also I think the OP was just saying that those were considered cheap by many but not rightly so.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:16 pm

Well that depends on exactly how your doing it. If your waiting in the corner for helpless souls to come along to blast them to bits, it's cheap.

Its not cheap. You should of saw me and shot first but you didn't.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:55 pm

There's a simple cure to dealing with campers. After the first death, either avoid that area or use a different tactic. Me, I prefer my tube or grenades. The true anti-camp equipment. Complainers are just too lazy to try.
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Post » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:39 pm

Camping only exists in pubs.

Depends what u find camping. CSS counter terrorist trying to block the terrorists from taking B is camping. But hell no that im running out to there spawn to get my head blasted off the moment they see me :P. Camping is legit and needed if u need to defend a base.
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