Even though I can't imagine they'll have as many uses as the straight versions I'll be taking the lisbian one for role-playing.
Seriously, how many can there be?
Maybe Sunny Smiles?

So now we need to establish our characters sixual orientation too? I had done that already since i play pretty much the same three characters in every RPG, and BioWare's games have a lot of options

More on topic, do these perks have any other speciality than the obvious over the opposite six equivalents?

What's dialogue? I'm going to be a confirmed bachelor lady killer just so I can get the extra damage.

Lady killer doesn't imply heterosixual orientation. Just like black widow doesn't imply it either. A lady killer would be a man who goes and kills ladies. It doesn't matter if he's attracted to them or not. Likewise, a black widow is a woman who manipulates men. She doesn't have to like men in order to manipulate them. Flirting to get your way has little to do with how you perceive your victim's sixual orientation (beyond being a match for their desires).

A man flirting with another man so he can steal his stuff and shoot him in the back more easily is not gay... he's just another guy trying to survive in this wasteland we call life.

could be as simple as one man saying to another "wow, impressive rocket-launcher you have there, what's the range on that?" or me saying to another girl "I love those boots, could I borrow them?". Why does everything come down to six? (rhetorical question lol)

Black widow does imply heterosixual. Its a spider that kills its mate. Thats not exactly true, but it is what the name implies.

Because the driving force in every lifeform that has ever evolved is six? (reproduction) Rhetorical answer, lol!

I do think that Confirmed Bachelor and Cherchez le Femme imply sixual orientation, because Lady Killer and Black Widow implied sixual orientation in FO3 (and presumeably in New Vegas). Lady Killer and Black Widow opened up new dialogue options like seduction and generally implied a character that is used to getting their way using their sixual charisma with the opposite six.

Now you can argue as some have tried that it is just a survival tactic, flirting with the same or opposite six to get what you want and get ahead in a crap-sack world. But if this is your character's modus operandi of achieving their goals, that would mean they like achieving their goals this way. It would be just as easy or easier to shoot someone in the face and take their stuff, or bribe your way in, or sneak in, etc. but a character that employs one of the 4 "six perks" to solve their problems likely does so because they enjoy the flirting and seduction.

Making eyes and smooching at an NPC while telling them how sixy they are, instead of shooting or pickpocketing them, or using straight up persuasion (Speech), does imply a certain sixual orientation. It just does. And hearts and naked Vault Boy on the perk icon point in this direction as well.

fair enough!

This I wholeheartedly agree with. The implications are far too obvious to make anyone doubt their intention, for whatever reason. ^_^

Cherchez Le Femme/ Confirmed Bachelor will be just like Lady Killer/Black Widow but Cherchez/Bachelor will be for the same gender. So depending on the person that is the same gender as you this option may come up in conversation if you have the Cherchez/ Bachelor perk.

I think people are just trying to justify the perk so they don't feel "weird" about using it. I am torn between this and intense training since my build that I am using is melee and unarmed. With IT I can increase the damage done by both UA and ME skills which seems that it would be equal to this perk because increasing strength with a melee/unarmed not only affects male humans (as the bachelor does) but does a little extra damage to ALL enemies.

Yeah, becuase you can totally obtain valuable information and get people to do things you want by killing them... Bribes have a cost, sneaking is risky, killing someone will upset a community and make you a criminal.

Well I just wanted to be sure, but I bet you there will be a few threads full of kids who chose Confirmed Bachelor and then got pissed when they accidentally flirted with Arcade.

Right. And apparently you the missed the part about using persuasion (Speech) or pickpocketing the item you want off them. And having a gun doesn't necessarily mean killing someone. What about threatening them?

I still maintain that if, out of all the half dozen or more ways to bypass or get something from a person of the same six, and your choice is to rub up on them or shoot "come hither" glances as you strike a pose, your character leans that way. Picking the seduction option when there are other options is implying a preference. And that is a preference for flirting with a person of the same six. :shrug:

I think ShootToWound is right. A lot of people are trying to justify picking the perk for the damage bonus without having to think about the implications for their character because they don't like the thought.

If you pick Confirmed Bachelor and never use it to flirt with another guy, only using the damage bonus, fine, your character doesn't go that way. But don't try and ignore the very obvious implication the perk gives.

Meh, it's only gay if balls are touching. I'll take both if I can, more play options the better.

Lady Killer is a double entendre. The term "lady killer" refers to a guy who is very good with the ladies. In the same way you might hear someone refer to a "player's" new girlfriend as one of his latest "conquests", a lady killer seduces ladies rather than actually kill them. Of course, the 10% damage bonus against women you get in the game gives you the other part of the double entendre, that you are both smooth with the ladies and capable of destroying them utterly.

So yeah, it definitely implies sixual orientation.


Yeah, again, whether or not this makes your character gay depends on how you use it. I guarantee the perks will definitely lead to some same-six canoodling, which, if you follow through with, definitely means your character is gay.

Or at least bi-curious. I mean, you could always have one moment of indiscretion and decide that wasteland homoeroticism isn't for you and move on with your life, leaving a secret shame behind you.

Or you could be full on, openly gay. Or you could, as you say, only use the perk to manipulate other people who swing that way in the wasteland to further your own goals.

LMAO

Post of the thread.

I'll just keep RPing my lisbian even if the perk doesn't make her gay, and the rest of you can take your 10% damage and be happy. :thumbsup:

I can imagine the conversations.


LW: C'mon man, go gay!

Jericho: I ain't doin' it.

LW: You'll do extra damage! C'mon man, take one for the team!

I doubt I'll take either in favor of other perks anyway. My first character won't bother with prosttutes, and I don't know if you can even have six with other characters beside them anyway, so the subject probably won't even come up in his adventures.

So right.

I can't believe people don't think Lady Killer or Black Widow implies sixual orientation. Are these young people or people who don't speech English as a first language?

Black Widows kill their mates. As in, they never kill the male until they've slept with him. If only being willing to kill someone until after you have rocked their world in bed doesn't imply sixual orientation, I don't know what does.

And yes, Lady Killer is synonymous with 'Player' or 'Playa'. Lady Killer, as in "he knock them dead", as in, he is such a flirt and a hit with the ladies, they swoon (feint, collaspe, die) when he shoots them a glance.

So if THOSE two perks imply sixual orientation . . . . you can see where I am going with this.

Study some slang and pop culture older than yourselves people! :read: :hehe:

I agree that these perks do infer a sixual orientation, but I think it all comes down to RP as to whether or not your character follows with it. I don't mean whether you follow through with the homosixual dialogue options either. what it comes down to for me is whether you believe that homosixual actions make you gay or if its an internalized feeling. If someone engages in gay six, does that make them gay even if they didn't like it? What about if they did like it, but aren't, and never have been and presumably never will be (not to say this can't change), attracted to those of their own gender? Consider if the act was forced on them. What if they enjoyed it even then? On the other hand, what if someone feels attraction to their own gender but never engages in any homosixual acts? Are they considered straight? It depends on who you ask.

You also pointed out that the character that does these things "likes" the actions. this isn't necessarily the case, maybe they are just gifted at flirting with their own gender and choose to take that route for some other reason. They may even hate it but take the actions as some sort of penance or something, depending on your RP. For example, Solid Snake doesn't like killing people, but he's damn good at it. He might still choose to fight his way through an objective rather than sneak, especially in MGS4.

Also, I want to point out about my "infer" bit up there, I try not to be too much of a prude, but I am a stickler. As I understand it (and admittedly that might not be very well) imply means that the assumed aspect is true, like how speaking implies that there is someone or something there to do the speaking. Infer mean that the assumed aspect is merely assumed, like how a large amount of blood splattered all over the room might infer some foul play took place there, though it's not absolutely known. And given the confusion of the conversation so far, I thought it was a good idea to clarify that.

So anyway, these perks don't make your character gay, though an outside observer would probably assume that they were. That's my opinion about it anyway.

i am picking Confirmed bachelor and black widow. together thats 10% more damage to every human enemy. if you ignore sixual orientation they are very good perks. the speech options are just a bonus

Yes. Those do have gay qualities with them but you know why, obsidian is making it where you can be anyone you want to, and I'll RP a gay person In a couple of characters, who cares

My first character isn't a Lady killer for sure but I'm saving that for my rascally merchant, and the French perk I really don't feel like looking for to spell write I'm saving for my Science girl and my male tribal (hes a mans man). When you see him coming you hear a tune in the background go, "Macho macho man!."

I don't think either perk defines your character's sixual orientation, because if that was the case that would mean that if a character didn't take one of these perks they were asixual. To me, Lady Killer/Black Widow imply someone who's good at manipulating and exploiting someone of the opposite gender for their own ends, and Confirmed Bachelor/Cherchez la Femme imply manipulation/exploitation of the same gender.

Incidentally, while "Confirmed bachelor" has been used as slang for a homosixual man, I think (little vague on this) "Cherchez la femme" (look for the woman) was initially used to imply that, when a crime had been committed with no clear motive (murder, financial irregularity, whatever), it was likely to be because of a woman a man was having a secret affair with.