I believe realizing that in being part of everything, you are nothing, when CHIM is reached. IMO. I'm sure I'm still way off though.

A bit. That is what zero sum is, and thus by being nothing you turn into nothing.

A bit. That is what zero sum is, and thus by being nothing you turn into nothing.

It's always the same with CHIM threads. At one point, there will always be one (who thinks who knows exactly what it is) who spoils what it is. And then it leads to total confusion. Because the one asking mostly neither has the background nor the knowledge to understand its meaning. (And too often, the one who spoils it doesn't really understand it either.)

Telling what CHIM is to someone who didn't put at least a little of his own research in it is like answering the question "Excuse me, Sir, but where am I?" with "Here". The answer might be correct, but it doesn't help the one who poses the question.

So, to the thread starter or anyone who wants to know about CHIM: do a little work for yourselves.

Here are a few pointers for the start:

Have a go at the Sermons and read them. Read them, don't budge out in the middle because you think it's gibberish. Read them again just to be sure you get a feeling for the language and the text itself.
While reading, try to answer the following question: To whom are these texts adressed?

When you can answer above question, ask yourself why Vivec specifically chose that adress. Also, keep in mind that they are titled "Lessons", so they are meant to teach something, besides being poetry.
Another little hint that I hope might make things easier: when you come across seemingly overly complicated passages. A lot of Vehk's Sermons are metaphors for things that are undescribable for most readers. Imagine someone never having seen or heard of snow before and you have to describe it to him. You can't just say its snow, because he wouldn't understand it. Maybe you would say something along the lines of "it's like white, cold down falling from the clouds".
Vehk's doing exactly that. Describing the "indescribable" in words that can be understood.

Then, take Vehk's Teachings, they elaborate on the Sermons. Also, the Loveletter of the Fifth Era is an important thing to read. Keep in mind, CHIM in itself is - once you figure it out - not a very complicated thing to "know" - anyone can do it and even have it without even knowing. Including you. The greater meaning of it - for Tamriel et all - and thus the fascination, reveals itself when putting thought into it. And noone can think for you, you just have to do it by yourself.

Oh, and as for the original question, no, when you do all I said above, you won't know what CHIM is - but you might be on the way. And you will have some ground to walk on once you take the next steps.

*snip*

MK himself just said Nalion is wise in this matter, so you should probably be taking his advice, not smarting off to him.

I'm aware that he is right in that I need to read those things. The thing is that I have. I still have them open in other tabs in fact. I'm making a commentary on the fact that he really didn't contribute anything positive, just kind of stopped in to say he knows CHIM and that we really don't deserve to talk about it.

The arrogant variant of a possible response of mine to your most recent posts:
"Read my post further than the part where I say you should read the Sermons."
The more helpful variant of a possible response of mine to your recent posts:
"I have outlined the course which basically every CHIM post in recent history has gone. Obviously, I think this course wrong (one of the reasons I actually wrote a post in this thread). I also gave some pointers in which direction to look - a direction where naturally, the sermons come first. If you have read the Sermons, good for you. You should have at least a little bit of background now. Now, allow me to emphasize the middle part of my post, where I ask a specific question. In fact, anyone reading it is welcome to post what he or she thinks might be the answer to it. Maybe it helps the thread. I do invite you, though, SanguineRooster, to answer it above all. In contrast to others in this thread, I will not offer you the solution, but only the try to shed some light on the way to the solution. Whether you take this invitation to step on this way or not is your choice."

What is "chim"?

From the Ehlnofex: an ancient sigil connoting 'royalty', 'starlight', and 'high splendor'. As with most characters of that dangerous language, the sigil CHIM constantly distorts itself. Those scholars that can perceive its shape regard it as a Crowned Tower that threatens to break apart at the slightest break in concentration.

Representations of the chim, and by extension the Psijic Endeavor, are always protean values, such as the anumidi models renowned by the Dwemer, the Scarab of contemporary astrolothurges, and the Striking ("exact egg-cracking") of old Argonia. All of these representations possess an innate and constant aspect of transformation.

Quote Misnomer - Engineering Guild
Sounds really interesting, although I don't mod. I think starlight is actually the description, because you cannot focus on it without it changing, it is always moving (to our eyes, anyway, because of the speed of light). Then it seems royalty would have applied it to themselves (but they aren't really my epitome of transformation) because they are that self-centered. Other people would then associate high splendor with the word CHIM after it became synonymous with royalty, because again, I don't think of 'high splendor' as describing transformation either. To me, it seems like it is more of the ineffable quality of constant change. The point where change itself can become constant (because they are opposites). Or that's what I was thinking.

MK himself just said Nalion is wise in this matter,

I'm just going to try and take the high road this time. Thank you for your input, Nalion.