There is a term I need to know more about. I really like lore surrounding gods and daedric princes and all that sh*te, and yet I have no idea what CHIM is. I hear it thrown around a lot and I just wanted some clarification.

Thanks in advance.

It is a landscaping tool.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml

What does it mean for someone that 'used' it or 'had' it or however it effects people?

The first brush is described in the start of most http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml and note that Mundus was made of the Anu alligned Aedra and Padomay alligned Lorkhan.

So you might say that it is a mixture of Anu and Padomay and without the the essence to hold the dawning (note the pun) together, you make a http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/sporedream.shtml. Because Padomay is a lie.



So there is only One, the Tower, the World and "One that knows CHIM observes the Tower without fear. Moreso: he resides within." He is the world.

There is more but you'll have to read the Monomyth and the Teachings for a while before anybody can talk about that without seemingly pulling stuff out of thin air.

Something like this?: Jesus thought he were CHIM but then he weren't.

You could think about CHIM like Matrix when Neo understands that he is the ONE and then he can alter everything to his liking.

CHIM is apotheosis through enlightenment.

CHIM is when Tiber realized he was the player and had access to the Construction Set and so he made Cyrodiil into a forest. And Vivec realized he could reload the game if he died.

That is sig worthy

Hogwash. If Vivic was a player, he would have been playing Warcraft 3.

CHIM as it was explained to me via Adan (Kiddie Version): When you realize that you are a lucid dream in the head of a gigantic schitzo-god and as such can do anything because the whole of existance is just a dream. Is that about right?

Yes, that's about it. As I said, apotheosis through enlightenment. Becoming a god through discovering the true nature of the universe.

It begins again...

I assure you, OP, that most posts coming after this one will basically reiterate what has been said about 7 times now either in different ways or in a more detailed fashion.

Pretty fun to talk about, enit?

We had a pretty epic thread about it a while back. Ah, http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=864305&st=0. Give that read through, it's like CHIM for Dummies.

Oh, and there's the thread on http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=769715&st=0.

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You guys arent supposed to tell him, your supposed to link him to various conversations we've had with MK, and to books on TIL, and lots of backward Vehkspeak. Thats how i learned what CHIM is, it's more fun when you figure it out for yourself :stare:

True. But since the beans have already been spilled...

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/theimmortalliar/TES/CHIM.jpg

To teach is to know. Though you're absolutely right.

Good on you, guys. Now I know.

After reading the thread that Alaisiagae posted, zero summing sounds a lot like Nirvana. Am I way off?

It's just kind of realizing that everything is the same, and therefore you are everything. But since everything is the same everything = nothing, and therefore you are nothing...and everything. From my understanding that is why you cease to exist when you zero sum.

Yes you could see it like that.

Yes, this is way more selfish then Nirvana.

How so? Isn't it just realizing that in being part of everything, you are everything?

If so then it really supersedes any sense of self.

I believe realizing that in being part of everything, you are nothing, when CHIM is reached. IMO. I'm sure I'm still way off though.

It's always the same with CHIM threads. At one point, there will always be one (who thinks who knows exactly what it is) who spoils what it is. And then it leads to total confusion. Because the one asking mostly neither has the background nor the knowledge to understand its meaning. (And too often, the one who spoils it doesn't really understand it either.)

Telling what CHIM is to someone who didn't put at least a little of his own research in it is like answering the question "Excuse me, Sir, but where am I?" with "Here". The answer might be correct, but it doesn't help the one who poses the question.

So, to the thread starter or anyone who wants to know about CHIM: do a little work for yourselves.

Here are a few pointers for the start:

Have a go at the Sermons and read them. Read them, don't budge out in the middle because you think it's gibberish. Read them again just to be sure you get a feeling for the language and the text itself.
While reading, try to answer the following question: To whom are these texts adressed?

When you can answer above question, ask yourself why Vivec specifically chose that adress. Also, keep in mind that they are titled "Lessons", so they are meant to teach something, besides being poetry.
Another little hint that I hope might make things easier: when you come across seemingly overly complicated passages. A lot of Vehk's Sermons are metaphors for things that are undescribable for most readers. Imagine someone never having seen or heard of snow before and you have to describe it to him. You can't just say its snow, because he wouldn't understand it. Maybe you would say something along the lines of "it's like white, cold down falling from the clouds".
Vehk's doing exactly that. Describing the "indescribable" in words that can be understood.

Then, take Vehk's Teachings, they elaborate on the Sermons. Also, the Loveletter of the Fifth Era is an important thing to read. Keep in mind, CHIM in itself is - once you figure it out - not a very complicated thing to "know" - anyone can do it and even have it without even knowing. Including you. The greater meaning of it - for Tamriel et all - and thus the fascination, reveals itself when putting thought into it. And noone can think for you, you just have to do it by yourself.

Oh, and as for the original question, no, when you do all I said above, you won't know what CHIM is - but you might be on the way. And you will have some ground to walk on once you take the next steps.