And Aetherius ain't CHIM.

Of course it's not, I never said it was.

But if restrictions were removed for everyone, it would basically mean CHIM.

no, it would basically mean zero-sum. CHIM relies on retaining one's identity, most people would not be able to do it if all was suddenly revealed to them.

Yeah, I suppose you'd have to be pretty fast-thinking to realize something ike that so fast

No, Shor made it so people could achieve it.

Reason? I suscribe to the theory that he was about to achieve CHIM, but ended up not, so everyone will eventually be able to do the same, but achieve it. You could say with his love, he sacrificed himself and the aedra to allow everyone else to achieve a position higher than a god. And that Altmer are lazy

Yes, that's what I think too. He created the world because he saw something in restriction and limits. Without limits, there is no love, no passion; you simply can't do anything, because everything is already being done.

you've made a powerful enemy today.

MK has CHIM. Get your CHIM today! He could tell you what CHIM is, but that would take the fun out of it. I know many secrets. :shifty:

If everything is being done then it follows that you can't be doing nothing (except as one infinitessimal part of doing everything, since 'doing nothing' is one possible thing). If you're doing everything, some of those things must be things that are done with passion and/or love (and some with disinterest and hate, and all points on the sphere and colours of the spectrum in between).

Trying to imagine human emotions onto that framework rather than within it is probably a wasted journey.

Doing something is an act of control. Control is a limit, a restriction. When there are no restrictions, there is no control. Thus, you cannot be doing anything. But this all comes down to the fact that the universe is a lie. We've already had this discussion in this thread.

Arbitrary? :swear: There shall be no such profanity directed towards the mighty JHUNAL!

He will descend in his mighty [OBSCURED TO MORTALS] and reclaim what He rightfully gave thee during [OBSCURED TO MORTALS]. Ungrateful.

Please see me for a list of your demerits, and may the Nine have mercy upon thee.


___TWM

I always liked to think that CHIM was opening up the console by pressing ~. And zero-sum was an inopportune CTD.

Eh...that's just sooo boring to me...

It's cliched. It's expected. Too simple. It would almost be like saying the Wheel is the game disc.

You're defining something less than the absolute Godhead. The problem is that you're binding the Godhead with physical, temporal and even logical rules, all of which are actually dependant on it rather than defining of it. In particular, this idea of limit and control - this only applies in the causal single timeline existence. You say that with no control you do nothing - rather, with no restriction you do all things, including all limited things, but as a sum and not singularly.




Arbitrary is no insult - it is fitting that a mighty spirit says "this is how it is", and lo, 'tis. But even the most studiously fanatical devotee of Julianos should admit that he's not the Big Boss of omniversal order.

You are basically saying the same thing as me, but in a different way. What I mean by "the universe is a lie" is that the Godhead, and everything which that word covers, doesn't cohere to logic. It doesn't fit together, because no logical equation including the two can have a real answer. It is like 1+1=i.

I know. I'm just messing with you. :foodndrink:

Something needs to be set strait. Ultimately CHIM is not the rejection of the world, but its affirmation. CHIM is not knowing that the world is false, but knowing why its real.

If you understand the nature of the question, you'll understand why you can't provide the answer to anyone else.

6x9=42 ergo CHIM is impossible.

42???? Hold on........you may be on to something there.

Sweet something of somewhere! Someone make a 'CHIM for dummies' already!!

:rofl:

Good anologies!

Now to me, CHIM represents the total expression of free will in its purest, ballsiest, most audacious form. You are confronted with the fact that you do not exist, and are merely an insignificant reflection between two infinite forces which are absurdly and inexplicably interacting - that there is no reason whatsoever for the point of their intersection to include you, for it could be anywhere in infinity and still be just as absurd. And you see this and accept it...all while asserting your existence with absolute, unflinching certainty. You remain an entity purely by sheer will. That level of raw cojones holds a lot of power (although to manifest that power requires dramatic action such as mantelling or numidition to reach the level of godhood).

It all goes down something like this:

Unflinching UNcertainty?

To me, that uncertainty would make you Zero Sum. CHIM is seeing all that BS stated and still holding your individuality, saying with strong CERTAINTY that you exist.

Do you mean audacious as extreme certainty or profound arrogance?

edit: think the quotes were confusing

or bodacious, a combination of bold and audacious (I am http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bodacious).

Whoops! That was a typo. I meant "unflinching certainty." :facepalm:


I mean it as extreme certainty and boldness (read: BALLS).


Those quotes really aren't supposed to make sense. They were just thrown in as a joke. Y'know, seeing the attainment of CHIM as sort of a big FALCON PUNCH! type moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw