Ironically, I always thought M'Aiq the liar had CHIM, and, look who made this thread? obviously, my theory was proven wrong.

I meant "quotes" as in quotation marks... I removed them in my edit.

I asked the "arrogance" question because someone a while back basically said that it would take extreme arrogance to acheive CHIM. Asked just to clarify what you meant. And someone who is exceedingly arrogant and stupid can have balls. Peter Griffin can have balls.

A flea of assertion on a wolf of naught.

Well, in order to achieve CHIM, you need to be smart enough to understand what it means. So a total idiot wouldn't be able to reach CHIM or zero-sum because the sheer density of the metaphysics involved would just float right over their puny little heads.

So attaining CHIM can only be accomplished by someone who has both wisdom and stones. Y'know, like Patrick Swayze's character in Road House.

One of my favorite MK quotes ever. Just thought I'd bring that up.

("Wolf of Naught" would also be a [censored]in' name for a heavy metal album).

Why couldn't any of you just say it like that?

From now on, anytime that someone makes a CHIM thread, this shall be linked. And then the thread shall be closed.

Hah, I wish. Great job, though, Platy.

Because it's the search that matters, not the answers and it's assumed you have read http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml which basically says the same.

And because what BBQPlatypus said is wrong, too. See the post of a not-so-Dumbkid. When a world isn't the reality you think it is, then it's not irreal by default. It's just another type of reality that was not taken into account. The TES world is real. Just not like the way most think it is.

That was the context of not being real, a fantasy world. I hope anyway.

Sorry, but that just begs a question(as rediculous as it may sound): Does that include Player Character? After all, they DO have supernatural wizdom and they DO seem to have more 'balls' than any other mortal in Tamriel.

Yes.

Pretty much the reason there were seven Numidia in Highrock. Though everything that happened afterwards from their appearance wasn't caused by the player.

Whenever anyone likens Chim to the PC or the CS, I just have to look at their respective forums and laugh. (Okay, I have nothing against the mod forum and I mod things myself... but IS THIS COMPATIBLE WITH OOO?

I don't get it.

Yeah. That "the protagonist has CHIM" kinda bothers me. I get the whole "you essentially do what you want" relation to CHIM, but lore wise...it bothers me.

Chim is adding more buildings to Balmora and making your eyesight better? And not being able to fire bows from horseback because the animations are too hard to implement? Player characters and modders are more limited in their actions than even a peasant in High Rock. We don't have freedom in ES games, we are the most encumbered.

No, but it is compatible with Francesco's Leveled Creatures and Unique Landscapes.

Lore wise, I don't think there's any reason to assume that just because someone is a legendary warrior-hero, they can necessarily parlay that into any kind of metaphysical transcendence. The feats accomplished by the player characters are great deeds, but there are a lot of people in TES history who committed even greater deeds, and you can count CHIM-achievers on two milk-fingers.

And I'm not so sure about those either. Maybe it's just me though.

I should have put an "arguably" in there somewhere.

There is actually all the reason. When multiple gods walk Mundus time goes haywire because each of them commands the events that happen, creating two time-lines for a lack of a better word. The effect goes away when the god gives control back to the natural flow of time or when the god dies or disapears.

For Daggerfall this means that the seven Nummidia (aka Brass God) could send armies around to what afterwards seem like impossible places at impossible times. The troops were moving normally but each Numidium created a different sequence of events. Afterwards when they destroyed each other time got mended and all the contradicting events were overlapped, explaining the whole warp in the west.

What can't be explained from this is why there were seven of them.

The only explanation for this is that all the players were also gods, but each one made a different decision. Normally these get mended together at the end of the game but as the Numidium is also a god and thus able to control time it put off the mending and continued the time line of the player that started it.

The most direct confirmation that the player is divine comes from the Sermons but I'll safe that for somebody else. I wrote an article explaining the http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/prowelerarticle2.shtml and the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtmlconfirms this divine control of time too.

Eh, put like that, it makes more sense.

I guess I was more focused on the "the player has CHIM" rather than "the CHARACTER has CHIM" idea. The former sounds like the "the CS is CHIM" type of explanation to me.

That's really interesting and makes sense. I was mostly talking about the Oblivion PC. Though, now that I think about it, the events of KotN and SI complicates that too. The Arena guy, then. He ain't nothin'.

So in other words, I'm going to stop talking now.

All the explanation you'll ever need. ~ is everything. When you try to ~ but screw up, you CTD.

~ = CHIM
CTD = Zero-Sum (especially if you haven't saved for a few hours....)

HOORAY FOR YOJIMBO!!!

Yes, but now you're taking all the grace out of the concept. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxVRQ9XGZVQ&feature=related!