So About 4 days ago i learned about CHIM and to tell you the truth im not happy. Im mad that the world of TES doesn't really exist and it is all just some dream of the Godhead. It is really bugging me. Also how do you attain CHIM I know the 1(I exist)+ -1(the universe Doesn't exist therefore niether do I) = 1(I exist) but how did Vivec and Tiber Septim get it. And ive been reading that if you Attain CHIM you have limitless power how. How does knowing you exist on a not existing world give you power. Also could someone explain to me what really is the "godhead". Is it a human living on planet earth who saw a Lord of the Rings movie and is now dreaming about a fantassy world. Or is it like a force much bigger than Anu and Padomay that is the base of all of Aurbis?????????????????????

Calm down.

It's not the Nirn doesn't exist, it's just altering the parameters of what existence means. Anyone have links to real-world religions that have the same set of beliefs of division? Wasn't Gnosticism like that?

CHIM is realizing not that you don't exist, but that you are a figment of everything else but remaining you. The Godhead is the realest thing, a single being alone in itself. It made itself a second thing, and on and on.

"When the Dream no longer needs its Dreamer" is a line I heard from somewhere or another.

The dream stuff is metaphor. Nirn is as real as anything.

In other words, CHIM is the affirmation of reality.

The Godhead isn't a mortal, not even a mortal of a larger world. The Godhead is a being of such tremendous power that his dreams acquire life and reality.

I'm afraid I can't offer any real comfort on this matter. I know where you're coming from. I've been there. Ultimately, the best advice I can offer is to understand that it doesn't matter. The intricacy and mortality of the world remains more or less intact, if you allow the thoughts to settle. I can't tell you why, or how to reconcile it all, but if you give yourself time you, too, may come to accept it.

Or you may not, which is legitimate, in my mind. Most believe in the Godhead and CHIM, but it's all misinterpretation. If you find a better one, I urge you to share it.

Well to begin, saying you're mad about the fact that a fictional world doesn't exist is kind of pointless.

About CHIM and the Godhead... The Godhead is merely the dreamer of the TES universe in which all the multiple aspects of said universe are on some level a subconscious being of the dreamers mind. So lets say one of the Subconscious' discovers it's not as real as it originally thought it was and that it can manipulate this loop hole by using it's link to the Godhead to change the features of the dream in a way it seems fit.

As for the Godhead itself... Well I guess that's the big mystery.

Disclaimer: This is just my view on the whole thing so don't take any of this seriously.

You defy the Eighth Principle of Fiction with this statement. To discuss a fictional world one must perceive the fictional world as valuable in itself.

Oh man, that just took made thinking about this more a whole lot easier. All this time I was looking at this the other way around. Gnosticism is only roughly similar but yes.

It's not that I don't value it, it's just that I'm aware of it's actuality.

Edit: In hindsight, it's hard to claim awareness of the actuality of something that has no real basis on what is fact and what is fiction.

Oh well that makes sense. Do you know if Vivec attained CHIM after or before he became a demigod?

I don't know that. I would guess that he achieved CHIM as he tapped the heart of Lorkhan, as the power of the Missing God might well be the necessary 'jump start' to allow an otherwise mortal thief to steal a knowledge he would otherwise be incapable of comprehending. However, I look unfavorably upon Vehk, and shape my misinterpretations accordingly.

Are you saying that your character is the godhead