See it talks of how horriable the US was right before the bombs fell but so how bout china?

Considering what we know, I voted for the U.S.A. The Enclave experimented on citizens of the U.S. quite a lot before the Great War.

Based on what I know (not much) I'd say China had it worse.

At least the US managed to take a hold of some resources and is relatively isolated from the rest of the world... we don't know a thing about how life in China was like, but based on the state of the rest of the world, it probably wasn't pretty...

prob like China is nowadays, rich cities and poor countryside with clay huts and whatnot.

I'd say it is too close to call, The Chinese likely had full propaganda control over everything, for greaer morale, but the US had the distinction of being the only country to maintain its standard of living with fuel. Likely the US had better ecomomics, but a collectivised economy does wonders for stability, as long as you have complete control. Its likely the Chinese were used to living on starvation rations at that point, while in the US, you have peopel like Elliot Tercorien being drafted. Nobody on the Chinese side seemed so jaded.

The USA had it worse. I doubt China had FEV tanks on their home soil, and the leftover American divisions on the mainland wouldnt know what to do, and either would have been killed in the nuclear war or just make their own little faction.....

I just dont know much about their state before the nuclear war and after to make a good guess, so, based on my assumption that FEV vats wouldnt exist in China and that the American Divisions wouldnt do anything except make their own faction and settle down, I would say China has it better off, but still has it bad overall.....

Well, the FEV vats wouldn't really matter until post-war. And besides, in like 2060 or something, the genetic code for the FEV was leaked, letting any nation, corporation, or mad scientist to create their own brand of FEV.

Well, considering China's half assed response to Power Armor, the destruction of the Middle East and Europe during the Resource Wars, and that most other countries in a seat of power were trying to find new energy sources and such, I am positive just the US had FEV.

We think the U.S. got a good fission-fusion teabagging, imagine 10,000-20,000 kT-MT yield weapons roasting a nation of 1.3 billion tightly-packed people... They'd be lucky to live long enough to ghoulify or get eaten by Yao Pandas...

I think politicly the US must have gotten the worst of it, Hogging up the recourses and all, Annexing Canada also. Does anyone know the reason for why the chinese attacked Alaska?

I'd say The US had the economic and resource advantage (from annexing Canada and all that), but I get feeling the Chinese were much stronger in morale. I mean, look at the ghouls in Mama Dolche's, it's been 200 years and they still waging their War. They sound really fanatical in both the OA:simulation and the Point Lookout logs, while on the US side you had people like Tercorien

Of course, we just don't know enough to draw any real conclusions.

i would guess that it would be an easier entry point- geographically and tehre probably wasnt as much resistance up north either.. could be wrong.. but currently, places like CA and washington state have huge amounts of military bases.. up through russia and over to alaska means not as much time in the waters to be taken out by patrolling subs

I think that the China would get the worst damage of the two because the US is much more built-up with tons more infrastructure to "damage". China is closing that gap, and my opinion would change if at the time of the war, China has/had as many cities with as much technology built-out as we do here int he US.

However - even though the US would suffer more overall damage because we have more stuff to "damage", I think China will be Much worse-off after the war than the US. Partially because we have more infrastructure to re-build from, but more because of the state of US nuclear weapons and the delivery systems. The US nuclear arsenal is not only Very large in terms of bomb-count, but the delivery systems are much better than what China has...

Right now and for a long time to come, China will pale militarily to the US from a Nuclear-war stand point. We have a nuclear submarine fleet that China can only dream of, and China cannot detect them before its too late. We also have B2 stealth bombers in large quantity that China can barely detect (if at all), and not before those B2 launch nuclear-tipped cruise missiles that China has no counter for. Finally we can talk about ICBM's, which Russia and America both have in such large numbers that China and other nuclear states can't even come close to - and our bombs have been evolving technically for a long time.

Lets face it - the USA and Russia have been at this nuclear-war thing for long time now, and have an enormous capacity to deliver those nukes anywhere in the world on very short notice. China may be able to do some serious damage to the USA with nuclear war, but the USA has an unrivaled capacity to Annhilate China completely form the face of the earth with plenty left over for anyone else that wants to fight. It may sound harsh, crude and arrogant - but those are facts on the ground (so to speak).

The USA would be destroyed by a global nuclear war, but I think much more so by Global effects from the war like starvation, disease and loss of sunlight from the global fires and fallout - far more than from China's nuclear capacity.

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Oil. Alaska has one of the largest oil reserves in the world.

Yes it does and it was the last of it so people needed it...bad.

Well if I understand the original poster's comment, then it should be unequivocally stated that the PRC would have had a horrid standard of living, and this is simply due to the fact that Maoism is extremely repressive. No doubt Communist China in the Fallout Universe, would resemble North Korea of our timeline.

The Maoists were quite cruel, and held life to be cheap. Early in the Maoist Regime, they decided to "eliminate" veneral disease by forcibly testing the entire population and executing those found to be infected. Even the fascist Regime that rules China today enforces thier "One Child" policy in the countryside by sealing off towns with troops, rounding up every female of child-bearing age inside the cordon, testing them to see if they are pregnant, and forcing abortions on those who are found to be pregnant. In the game universe they probably had some quite horrific black programs going that were at least as bad as what the pre-war gov't or the Enclave did.

China, America probobally took the war to them after anchorage, the place would be torn apart, china fires nukes americ fires more nukes, all countries would also attack china for starting the war. And China was likely using all resources on the war so people were probobaally in poverty.

I'd say China as there are more people in a specific radius than there is in the USA. So an Atomic Bomb would cause more deaths in China than it would if it would have been cast in the USA. That also means there would be very many ghouls and radscorpions and radpandaes and what not.

I think china had a hard time before the bombs fell because it's an overpopulated country scraping the bottom of the barrel for resources to feed 1.3 million people, their army and produce equipment for war plus I'm pretty sure that the wiki said Americans were secretly releasing FEV into China's population and the fact that the U.S were building WMD's and giant robots to bring the fight to Chinese soil thats probably how the nukes were launched in the first place.
China ran out of options.... and fired their nukes.

If anybody out of those 1.3 billion people survived, they'd be horribly screwed up ultra-Maoists not unlike North Koreans. Think of people who've been politically brainwashed to think they're God's chosen people who outlived their enemies, when they'll become their own enemy soon enough when they ghoulify or run out of food. Think of those horrible stories of North Koreans eating their own children, throw in a perversion of the One Child Policy coupled with cannibalism, and imagine brainwashed people buying the crap their nuke-happy leaders in their cozy C.O.G. shelters feed them when they're vulnerable and realize there's no borders left in Asia anymore. I'll take muties, ghouls, and Deathclaws anyday over that hot mess.

I think both sides would be the same as you guys are forgetting that china as mention in the fallout wiki "It was a military and economic superpower, able to fully compete with the U.S. and was consistently portrayed as an equal or, in certain fields, even superior to America.", which is to me the best thing about fallout as for once America's enemies are ported as equals. We can gather this from the Stealth armors, Shock Swords, Shi Emperor computer who brought the Shi is advancements and also the space race as it states in the museum that there's was huge competition between the US, Russia and China all out doing each other. So i think the military technologically of both sides would equals but US having more direct power and China more stealth power like NOD and GDI from tibirium.

Also the China you guys are thinking about is Deng Xiaoping reformed China and not Mao's China who was actually expecting a nuclear war with the US by consternating its population on the country side and building huge nuclear shelters of their own. This is because the world of fallout suggest that both nations were depicted at eras of their hight of power such as America is the 1950's after winning WW2 and China after the Communist took power form the nationalist thats is why in the game the year is 2077 but is still set in the 1950's vibe. As for WageslaveZ's "a nation of 1.3 billion tightly-packed people..." if China kept in this time the vast majority of the population would be in the countryside and I think this would be the case as Mao was actually encouraging the Chinese people to have more children as this as he thought would be the best way to win a nuclear war. As he stated that after a nuclear war between the Communist world and America both sides would be devastated by would be overrun by millions of chinese from the country side and the one child policy was introduce in the 1970's when a event of a nuclear war was not likely as they had nuclear weapons of their own and resources shortages, there's some documentaries of youtube, discovery channel and the history channel also or god old fashion books.

In the end China's cities would have been devastated but the vast population would have been in the countryside unlike the US who is the opposite, but would be dealing with its own problems such as radpandas attacks and what not. However the fact is that both sides were equals before the war and would be equals after the war just one having mutated grizzly bears and the other mutated pandas: Tugg Speedman: "I killed one, Rick... the thing I love most in the world". Rick Peck: "A hoker. Oh Jesus, you killed a hoker!".

In the 1950's most people in china were generally in the country wouldn't exactly matter as it's been shown as 3rd world countries become 1st world countries people gravitate to urban areas. Remember it's the mindset of the 1950's not locations, weapons and the geography of people in China. I think it'd be bad but not as bad. With Canada annexed, America has much more targets and much more land to get covered with radiation, and I always wanted to think of Canadian rebels hiding out. As you can tell i'm a Canadian. But with American divisions located in China and no Chinese divisions in America I see a huge unbalancing factor right here. The troops would want revenge and since i'm not sure but it seems like the Chinese rely on their government much much more then American's do. Another factor is China is very landlocked with 3rd world countries that would probably take hits but it would still have a organized government. Another point is if China annihilated the countries around it as well, less missiles strike America and it's huge landmass which already will need many nukes to cover. I never saw why America didn't annex Mexico as well and say anyone that serves a four year term gets a citizen to America. That would swell their ranks exponentially and help even out the number difference. Anyways I think America will it's free spirit would come out on top, especially since they've got Canadian soldiers in power armour that [censored]'s unstoppable.

Obviously china had it the worst before the bombs dropped.
1) Alaska had the last remaining oil reserves in the world, and china was desperate enough for them that they attacked.
2) China launched their nukes first. And did so knowing that the US would retaliate. It other words they decided that they was going to die anyway, and to take as many Americans with them as possible.
3) Companies like Nuca Cola was still developing new products, and fusion powered cars was begging to be more common place. Indicating that the American public still believed that their lives would go on as normal after the war. So while there was unhappiness about the war and the losses, there is no sign that the US was on the ropes or even stretched to the limit.

perfect !