It is at least partially agreed that China launched the bombs first,so could they have had better chances to go to nuclear shelters,and prepare some kind of comeback?

Other than the Shi, why is there no other major Chinese groups in the wastelands? The number of spies and agents make it seem that there was a lot of Chinese espionage going on in the US. Were the chinese persecuted in the US perhaps as jews were in Nazi germany since places like Little Yangtze existed and all? If so how could people like Irving Cheng be alive at this point?

I am sure the Elites and the Armed Services and the Bureaucrats all had bunkers to hunker down in. The other Billion or so peasants? BBQ time. This is not a knock on the other country, the USA is set up the same way. None of us know where, or will be let into, the really good bunkers and shelters. We get a room in a basemant an office building with a stout door on it, if we are lucky.

What of the other aspects discussed,what do you think was the situation of chinese and chinese american shortly before the war? And how did people like Irving Cheng end up in the wasteland?

The Shi washed up in America after the War. Chinese American's I am sure were under alot of scrutiny in the years leading up before the Great War. I wouldn't be shocked to learn laws we passed so there couldn't be large groups of them at any given time, which would go against freedom of association and all that but it when we look at America's past and how things went down in the Fallout Universe... it might just have happened.

Another possible thing that could have happened was that survivors turned on Chinese Americans and so on, to vent their rage at what had happened. An escape goat.

As for Chinese Bombshelters. Their leaders and VIPs I am sure had them, big fancy ones. Civilians and cities and towns might have built their own shelters as they saw fit. But the over all mentality was that their population would be so large that they couldn't all be nuked. So an over all national protection program might never have been put into place. Heck America didn't have such a program, at least it didn't end up that way with the Vaults.

China would have been forced to use their nukes as a last ditch "screw you all" action. To play the spoiler. They were being overrun by America, they saw no way of winning so they just flipped up the board. They launch, America launches and then everyone does. "Game Over Man! Game Over!" I think China would have been so over confident with their invasion of Alaska that they wouldn't have had a Plan B. As in they thought they would win. "How could we not win right?" type thinking

Maybe in the years of 2066 to 2077 there was some attempt to put together a Plan B. But I think what resources they would have had would have been put into Plan A which is "Crush America and Win!"

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Little_Yangtze. http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Camp_Turtledove. The Chinese were probably the single most abused minority in the pre-War United States. Plus, the surviving Americans wouldn't exactly be welcoming of people looking like the people that just ended the world. Mob violence, lynchings, violence against women and children, public trials without the right to a defender... It'd be a grim festival of violence after the War. If you don't see many Chinese people after the war, that's the likely reason.

As for why China didn't come over after the war, they have no reason to. Even if they did, there's the logistical problem of crossing an entire ocean.

Overall, do you guys think China or the US fared better after the war? We know next to nothing about the nuclear shelters and any government plans for the post-war (something like emerging and restoring order), but i think China had the resources to shelter at least a good quantity of people since they even made bunkers in the US (small,but bulding a spy bunker in the enemy nation?)

Other than the Shi,there should be at least one more factions made by chinese that found themselves stuck on the US with no purpose after the war,with so many spies and all.

They probably got killed off by survivors. Distinct accents, appearance, and use of Chinese equipment would betray them as invaders and get them hoisted up on a light post.

As for the PRC's survival, no idea. Given that there were American troops on a rampage in China, it's up in the air.

Why would anyone care? I don't think any people survived outside vaults (chinese americans and spies probably didn't get in those) or other bunkers or improvised shelters (like the hidden valley bunker,or the national guard depot,they might have survived in those) and then i don't think anyone bothered with being "american" or harassing the chinese after the war.

People did survive. And American survivors would be out for blood after their society was destroyed in nuclear fire. Read up on pogroms.

The U.S. was already deployed, campaigning and winning the war in China. Any shelters in American-controlled parts of China would have been put to use by the Americans, if they weren't sabotaged by the original owners. The safest parts of China would have been the furthest from its centers of power: the west. Given that, 'peasants' likely fared better than the Chinese elite, if only because they were out in the steppes, plains, and mountains, terrain that we've already seen fosters vast, tribal civilizations like Caesar's Legion, the (possible) Khan Empire of Wyoming, and the various tribals of the deserts and plains of the Midwest and Southwest.

Ironically, the majority of the American forces in China were probably wiped out by American missiles dropping into China, unless China detonated some of their warheads in their own cities.

Wait a minute there are references to two super-computers starting the war. And with the whole war over in 2 hours I don't think that many people would have found there way to shelters. Other then that, anybody not in a shelter either in America or China would be pretty screwed.

If we are to believe President Richardson (and I see no reason not to believe him) China launched first and America almost didn't have time to fire back. It would make sense for China to have fired first.

Well over a hundred years of Maoist Communists running China, rampant militarism to the point they started a war with America and it was all coming to an end. America had taken back Alaska and was overrunning China itself. The leaders were looking at total defeat, so they played the spoiler and started World War 3 aka the Great War which only lasted two hours but destroyed the world.

China would be one messed up place. Most of China. America bent to destroy Communists, Soviets to kil loff the Maoist ideology and India to nuke China as its large power near them.

I would see the goverment surviving in Tibet since it has a lot of mountains to protect them from the radiation.

99% of the Chinese population would be eliminated and it will take some time for vegetation to regrow.

Their air quality would probably actually improve

"Playing the spoiler" in response to a massed invasion of their homeland. The blame for the nuclear destruction is shared. If America never retaliated by attacking the Chinese mainland, but pushing the Chinese out of Anchorage and showing restraint, it'd be a defensive war that wouldn't lead to nuclear annihilation. Possibly buying enough time for the matter replicators from Big MT to be widely deployed.

True. Hilarious.

Honestly not attacking China back with aggressive force in a retaliatory manner would be un-american.

It was Vault-Tec that shot the first missile

No, Greedo shot first.

no it was Han

also way to necro a thread guys

To be fair, a country invades your country, it's kind of hard not to go stomping back. There's a big leap between 'They attacked us, so let's go kick their ass' and 'Quick! They're getting close to Beijing, fire all the nukes!', that's overkill of the highest caliber really. Plus, had they not retaliated, it would make the US look weak on the global stage to just go 'well, they were big meanies, but they're gone now.'

I wouldn't call a monthish old thread 'necro'. If it was from last year maybe. Albeit the poster who did bring this thread back did do it kind of pointlessly.

At this point, the global stage had its own problems. The U.S. wouldn't look weak for not crushing China, people wouldn't care. U.S.' invasion of China was overkill and a dangerous gamble, as they knew full well the PRC was desperate enough to attack Alaska for oil, which means using nuclear weapons was a logical step for a dangerous beast cornered by U.S. might.


Yeah, I meant to write Han. My bad.

When the invasion of Alaska became bogged down, the USA invaded the PRC to strain their supply lines.

Since it's been revived once already, i shall do it again.

Can China have a significant plotline in the next games? Enclave(US) played a good part in the first ones and people like them for being remnants of the past.

Can this be done with China?

It was supposed to be done in cancelled http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Fallout_Extreme. A lot of people find issues with series leaving the US, also neither Beth or Obsidian don't seem to follow this idea. Maybe we will see some Chinese ghouls, like in Point Lookout or Old World Blues, but I don't expect nothing more.

Unless you count San Francisco, that's a possibility. Though that doesn't count as a China.

Lets bring this thread back... What about Australia