Hi,

I just finished playing Operation Anchorage and during one of many gunfights against the Chinese towards the end of the game noted that their tech level was considerably lower than the Americans.

I was looking at it in terms of Falllout depicting them as the only World power strong enough to Challenge the American way.

Sure their Stealth suits are pretty tech adept but bar their Chimera tanks.. which to be honest didnt seem as powerful as they could have been, I just never got the feel that their military really was a match for the Americans,.. who had now Power Armor.

Also .. the last remaining oil was in the Pacific Ocean.. not in Alaska. So Im a bit unsure what the Chinese hoped to achieve here. Were they trying to overrun America in one foul swoop?

Listen to the log tapes you can pick up in Operation: Anchorage, usually near the Intel objectives.
It is the sheer numbers in manpower of the Chinese which is overwhelming the Americans.

Also bear in mind that it is a simulation developed by General Chase, which was described on terminal entries in the Outcast Outpost as bearing little basis in reality.

We were winning the Korean War, but then waves and waves of Chinese came and pushed us back to where we have North and South Korea today. China has a population of over one billion.

There are some logical weakpoints though.

unlimited manpower yes, but how did they get them to Alaska in the first place? And kept them so well supplied there?

I mean, there's an ocean between China and Alaska, and the US Navy floating around?

Alaska had Oil. It was why China invade. America and China needed Oil for their war machine for most of the Sino-American War. America was also invading Canada and Mexico at this time so it's forces were split. America also tried to invade mainland China but the invasion bogged down.

Power Armour wasn't a reliable weapon until the advent of T-51b Power Armour in 2077. With T-51b America was able drive China out of Alaska. China's War Machine would have then been starved of Oil. China had no counter to thousands of Americans in T-51b when America invade China itself. It was all over for China.

Also as pointed out Operation Anchorage isn't an accurate simulation since it was changed.

Most likely went through Siberia. The USSR was still around but apparently it wasn't the powerhouse it used to be which is why China replaced it as the number one threat to America. China has never been a real friend of Russia and it has been making claims on Siberia for well over a hundred years.

I wonder if China bullied the USSR into annexing Siberia in order to get to Alaska just as the United States did with Canada for the same reason.

Interesting parallel there if true. Definitely supports the idea that China and America were the last two super-powers on earth and screwed over the weaker states just to get at one another.

Given that Europe was in chaos and most of Russia's population is close to Europe (is in Europe) I can see the USSR putting most of it's resources into holding on to the Soviet Block countries and ignoring Siberia.

It could be possible that China invaded and Siberia and the USSR ignored it. So long as China planned to attack America and not take over the USSR. Maybe it's possible China made an oil deal with the USSR. As in the USSR would get a cut of any oil China captured from Alaska.

It would be interesting to get more info on this. Even if it is as simple as learning that China while in Alaska attempted to build a pipeline back to China, across the Bering Strait into Siberia and down into China.

They could have built oil tankers and used them to ship the oil to China, although I'm sure that would carry quite a few disadvantages, such as the need for escorts and the potential loss if one was torpedoed or hit a mine.

I wouldnt think the Soviets would want to abandon Siberia or ignore it getting invaded by the Chinese. After all, Siberia contains massive amount of minerals, oil and gas.

On the other hand, it is Fallout so it could have happened...I find it too unrealistic.

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I think a plausible scenario how the Chinese are able to invade Alaska is by forcing Japan to be their political and economic vassal. Chinese point their nukes at Japan and threaten to obliterate them. Japan is forced to agree and becomes one of the many vassals in Sinosphere. China install in the Japanese Communist Party and they rule the country with a autocratic fist with China watching them closely. While that Japanese industries are forced to work with China giving the PRC access to Japanese technology.

Chinese troops are stationed in JP in preparation for the coming invasion of Alaska. The JMSDF ships are remanned by the Chinese Navy, boosting the CN naval power and projection capabilities. Japanese military installation are remanned by the Chinese Navy.

In total, Japan becomes the jump point for the Chinese Invasion of Alaska.

Japan wouldn't just give into China, no matter how many nukes it pointed at it. Japan and China have hell of a lot of bad blood between them. More so then China and the USSR.

Japan wouldn't make a good jumping off point to invade Alaska because a large naval force would still be needed to move troops and supplies from the Northern most Japanese Islands to Alaska. There is thousands of miles between. Hokkaido to Alaska, 4,500+ miles.

While the distance from Siberia to Alaska is only 51 miles. You wouldn't need a massive navy to move troops and supplies to and from Alaska.

We know Europe was falling apart. Which means the Soviet Block countries would be in chaos. The USSR would be putting it's resources into holding itself together and fighting other European nations. Siberia only has about 25% or so of Russia's population. But it makes up about 80% of Russia's size. It wouldn't be worth defending the whole area. When it means going to war on three fronts.

Think about it. The USSR would already be at war in Europe, trying to keep the USSR together and then would have to go to war against China which is a greater Super power then the USSR. It would mean the end of the USSR if that happened.

It would make sense for the USSR to just accept China's annexation of Siberia at least part of it and concentrate on the European front. It is also likely that the two powers agreed to a deal. China gets to move through the USSR in exchange for any oil China captures.

And yes Siberia has a lot of resources but it's in Siberia. Very hard to get to and hard to extract. It's also possible that in the Fallout Universe they never discovered a lot of resources. There's also a lot of oil and other resources closer to Moscow. Such as the Caucasus. Also in Poland and Ukraine which the USSR would be fighting to keep during the Resource Wars.

True though I dont think the Japanese people would want their entire people wiped out by their goverment refusing to cave into the Chinese demands. The idea of still living will still permeate among the Japanese and begrudingly accept China's rule.

In my unfinished fanfic http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1478863-fallout-japan/ (That I possibly plan to revive in the future) the Japanese wage guerilla war against Japan.

Well yes. I am assuming that China would have a large Navy to undertake an invasion of Alaska,

I could see the Chinese sucesfully cutting of the Soviets from the Far East and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Far_East.

I actually had a different view. I saw that Soviets would lock down the Eastern Bloc and not gve a [censored] to the Europeans who fighting amongst each other and have no time to focus on the Soviets because they all hate each other so much and instead the Soviets focusing on China who they see as a bigger threat along with the United States. (Enemy of my Enemy Friend.)

Though very interesting. A part of me just does not want the Russians falling because I like the Russians.

A part of it.

Operation: Anchorage does NOT portray China or the People's Liberation Army in a realistic way. I mean come on, do you really think you could just destroy those Chimera tanks with a squad of five infantrymen? There are a lot of historical mistakes in the simulation, which is logical since it was made by General Chase, who was known to be a rather egocentric person. Read the notes you find in the Outcast bunker, and you'll see.

Note that the Chimera Tanks were originally American civilian mining rigs. Saying they're not as powerful as they could have been is kinda like saying the infamous Killdozer was weak because it didn't have a cannon on it.