Nobody wins a nuclear war.

The whole world got annihilated, China included. It is safe to assume that much like the United States, none of the pre-war countries continue to exist post-war.

Well I've got nothing against USA, but they just aren't the pharaonic masters of the planet, are they ?
Sorry but some other countries might have survived their own collapse, even with many difficulties related to the great nuclear winter and the fact Big Brother vanished from the map and couldn't help them...
" http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline#2076Enclave personnel seize control of Bloomfield Space Center and begin researching and developing a way to convert Hermes-13 into a personnel transport to transport important individuals off-planet. (source: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Bloomfield_Space_Center_design_document ) "
Perhaps a few hungarian or melanesian people was able to do the same faster (in FO3 timeline divergence, everything might be possible!) and have secretly won the great war but are still stuck in orbit around the globe because of a hardware failure? :rofl:
Hell ! Human kind is able of so many things : Don't underestimate your contemporary dudes !


(Joke) Probably there always will be someone to love you even better with some nuke bomb located in your http://medias.forum-auto.com/uploads/200307/moebius_0405200209_bartmoon.gif

"The only way to win a nuclear war, is not to participate

does the word nuclear winter mean anyhting to you! :nuke:

You have to fix this

The only wat to win a nuclear war, is for no one to particapate :fallout:

Not really, since its been disproven.

Nope, nor does it mean anything to anyone else in the Fallout seires or else there'd be no game.

We know the whole world was destroyed because it tells us so in every Fallout game intro. Of course there are probably communities of survivors in other nations just like there are in the post-apocalyptic U.S, but pre-war nations have ceased to exist. In the Fallout Universe humanity was brought close to extinction and civilization has been destroyed. The destruction wasn't limited to certain regions.

The off-voice telling this in past episodes was just Three-Dog making a joke with some handkerchief clipped to his mouth :
Did you really beleive him ? :meh:
Wait a minute : The G.E.C.K. (FO3 official Bethesda' editor) was released yesterday !
I am quite sure in a few monthes only we'll be warned in some mod the pre-Nation of the Argonian survived the Nuke Winter and now rules in China !
What do you mean with "not canon" ?? :intergalactic:

In Fallout 2 when you talk to the president, he says that one launched the bomb and detected then the other launched also, so both countries were sent back to stone age, but he says that the United States of America was prepared, the Enclave was hidding, knowing they were going to be bombed.

Good to know Fallout Series is realistic enough to provide some USA president with the (black) sense of humour when he has to make some more little lies... :goodjob:
Well, here (in France, as I am a french dude) we also had a good serie of candidates at this don't-tell-the-truth sport and our actual ones is breaking all our past records.

I suppose this sad truth is the main reason I can't just beleive anyone neither in the Fallout parallel world :
I continue to think The Enclave did launch all the bombs itself to cover the New Plague progress (Made probably by some other US governement secret agency a few decades earlier) & the scandal of being about to finally at the last minute loose the war because of it.

What happened is : They just nuked everything from US to China before anyone else just thought that might be an option in the war :nuke:
(Well China might have thought to it very early in the conflict, in fact, but the War is very expensive and you don't ruin all the cake before having your part of it )
Of course, a few important persons not knowing the truth were saved by The Enclave Agency to be able to add some credits to the new incoming Enclave Governement Of War.
Maybe the last US President was one of this "innocent" (and so silly) guy, maybe not and he was kindly a liar as every President should have been in his career to manage successing in being at the end of any State... :clap:

No it hasn't.

There was no nuclear winter in the Fallout universe.

I just hope Brazil didn't got bombed haha

It has been discounted by many of the same climatologists that forwarded it in the 80s after it was suggested as a possible cure for global warming. How convenient. It was junk science. It was Sagan's pipe dream and a bullhorn for his ambitions in political influence. Proof is such a silly word to use with these things. It's all modeling--(non-)science by excel spreadsheet. It hinges on a couple key assumptions, such as the ability for extremely large scale fires to inject soot higher into the stratosphere than seen with conventional fires, all of which can't be tested.

Well, I guess they could be tested, but you wouldn't want to.

As for some of the other posts, nuke are a lot less powerful than you think. Far more people would die from the loss of social order than the direct and indirect effects of the weapons. Radiation would be a constant menace, but mostly survivable after four weeks in a hole (and perhaps less). Instead, you're going to starve to death because the McDonalds trucks are no longer delivering frozen meat patties to the corner drive through....

http://www.webbsweb2.my100megs.com/brazil/images/string%204_jpg.jpg ...But don't worry about it : How raiders would find their psycho if South-America was totally wasted too ?
The hidden Oasis, in FO3, is too small for providing so many drug in DC :mohawk:


Nuclear weapons have been tested yet in several places of the world by many states, but, indeed, except USA, they usually prefered deserts and isles than towns for this, so, indeed again, who might know really what would be the impact of many nuke bombs on many cities ?
...However, as a caldera (vulcano underground chamber) explosion could be enough to bring us some very long global ash winter (And that HAS BEEN yet TESTED) , I suppose some very little bombing, just at the bad place would be enough to make it happening ! :shocking:


Well, you are right if you mean by "loss of social order" to be put in a huge sky-opened graveyard with highly contamined corpses, big chemical wastes and dusty atmosfear.
I am not sure neither about the "4weeks" : Regarding to the Tsunami consequences in Asia, and I am sure America wouldn't look like a more glory nation after such a mass nuke bombing on the main cities (even with some US flag standing right at a top of a rumbles pile) I am quite sure beyond the social order itself there would be a severe health & food crysis directly because of the bombs, for monthes at least.
In addiction, the Great War occured in FO while The New Plague was at its top. Official timeline did not mention anything more about the New Plague AFTER the bombing but I guess the war was'nt just a nuked-remedy to it

There are some places in the world that would be unlikely to get bombed into oblivion. However most of these places (most of mid and southern Africa, parts of South America) really aren't very advanced economically, socially, etc. Infact, with the obliteration of all industrialized nations much of the capital investment keeping these little countries afloat would have immediately collapsed, sending much of the un-nuked parts of the world spiralling into an intense chaotic situation of ultra-poverty, starvation, drought, sterilization. Likely, their societies would have collapsed into intense social, ethnic and political wars as these already-unstable countries fought over what little resources they have.

So likely anywhere not bombed would have been torn apart in bloody post-war conflict and ended up pretty much the same, devestated utterly. Some places may have risen up into economic and/or social prominence based around single communities or cities; I imagine their state of existence would be similar to that of western US, with collaborations of city-states perhaps forming loose coalitions and republics with one another.

You are perhaps right, but I would like to insist with a lot of strength on the "perhaps" because I feel this way of thinking might also be some kind of huge arrogance from us :
First, the Nations didn't stop to fight each others just because they were industrialized : Second World War was an evidence of that.
That's important because the unstability you are talking about may be a lot more global than we may feel it.
Further to WW2, the Decolonization was, at contrary, an evidence that even the poorest countries are able to join themseleves against adversity.
Mostly of the peoples playing videogames today, including me, had never to take the weapons and fight in their own country to make it free.
That's not an evidence we are more peaceful because, in the same time, OUR industrialized coutries are selling powerful destruction weapons to the poorest ones in exchange of the resources WE do need...
...And when the poorest nations are likely to refuse this deal, they are bombed or even invaded (by us or by the one we choose for this in helping them)

Without the misery in their country, will we have any chance of peace in ours ?

That's it, I am although pretty sure even without our impact on them, these countries might fight each others in unfinishable conflicts :
I just think these conflicts would be a lot less bloody without OUR weapons and OUR needs
Then, would these nations really suffer of our vanishing ? I am not so sure.
Actually, if each human being of this planet was using half the resources WE are using in industrialized countries, there would probably have no more planet at all.
Maybe our vanishing could be just some sort of... Salvation for them ! And, no, definitively, I am not an extremist religious planning to put a bomb in any place...
I just think we should perhaps forget one minute, at least, the golden life we had and the fact money is able to mask the hard reality of life around us, to take in mind we are perhaps not the solution BUT the problem itself :sadvaultboy:

Because Europe works kinda fine, there isn't any room to make real business and get rich by milking the poor.

Wait, this is supposed to be like the 50's, could one assume that the Colonial Empires of the 50's still existed? That is why Africa would get hit, and why Britain didn't help Canada, it was focused on retaining the other parts of it's empire against jingoist European powers.

Of course, it's also possible that during the resource wars, Britain just said, "Ta hell with it!" and just pulled back to the Isles and subsisted off the North sea oil. This also opens up the possibility of a Neo-Victorian Britain invading the former US in a future Fallout and fighting the Brotherhood and Enclave.

If Britain did continue to maintain its colonial empire, it would then be possible to assume that many of the colonies might have taken a path similar to that of Rhodesia (Unilateral Declaration of Independence) or perhaps decolonization would have occurred as it had in our time.

So that brings up the other question, if decolonization had occurred....would there still have been?

Algerian War of Independence (France)
The Belgian Congo Crisis (Belgium)
The Rhodesian Bush War (Rhodesia)
Portugal's Counterinsurgency Operations in Angola and Mozambique (Portugal)

Well, I think the colonies still being there would make sense if the whole world was to be nuked, as is stated in the FO1 and 2 intros. There would be more incentive to nuke an English or French colony than to nuke a poor African country.

in a alternate universe the netherlands were most likely being invaded by the english before the bombs where hit, makes perfect sense .... specially after the resolving of the European Commonwealth, the Netherlands haven't got a military back bone since the days of the republic ... , also thanks to the global warning great parts of the netherlands were being flooded over by 'radiated' water ... i'm quit sure the water is specially high radiated since Rotterdam is a quit large seaport, with lots of chemical industries. it's colonies, indonesie (or how you call it in english), in south east asia most likely were trampled by chinese forces far before the great war ... I'm not sure about the Antilles and Suriname, wich also 'where' colonies of the netherlands.

Once again, why ruining the cake you want to eat ? You might rather invade it than nuke it.
Sometimes you also must own some strategically geopolitics axis to be able to reach your real goal.
...And, if sterile areas don't worth a nuke, why so many bombing for exemple on Afghanistan mountains ? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-VkYJRbW8 )
Training camps, (high) security vaults, chemical or atomic (military & civilian) research centers, mass destruction weapons, all these stuff are more kindly to be hidden in such a desert place, more than in civilian areas, aren't they ? ( Even if sometimes some peoples will find such a stuff in place where there hasn't )
Satellits aren't enough to survey everything on earth while in the same time military presence in a town is always suspect. Of course we can imagine the contrary could happen, just under our blinded eyes but I suppose on my side "poor countries" may at contrary be the first to worth a nuke in a global nuke conflict.

What Likely happened was in the resource wars (leading up to nuclear annihilation) the poorer countries of South America/Africa/South Asia were invaded and occupied by Europeans, Russians, Chinese and Americans. The countries were likely war torn by civil strife and proxy warfare destroying what little infrastructure existed so even if they were unscathed by nuclear war they were probably on equal footing to the Industrialized countries that had fun destroying each other with their nuclear weapons.

The Chinese Soldiers and weapons in America were probably those of elite forces probably that were going to seize nuclear silos or maybe storm some Vaults if possible maybe even try to capture the President or kill congress before the nuclear weapons hit. When they made their move the President probably panicked and deployed his nuclear arsenal against the Chinese who responded in kind. The zombie soldiers probably noticed that the nukes were coming and sheltered each other enough to survive the initial blasts ,but were ghoulified. Though handfuls of them may have survived seeing as their is a "Comrade Cheng" in Tenpenny tower.

Moriarty is most likely just an Irish American descendant and Tenpenny may have very well have some sort of assets in Europe and "expanded' to the USA or maybe he is just some crazy American guy from Texas who came to DC and adopted a fake accent.... Or even better Moriarity was a member Falout Universe IRA and Tenpenny worked as a MI6 Agent to track him down and terminate at all costs

Yeah, that would have been great to add a few things about their past :rolleyes: ...And your imagination would deserve a little mod, for sure, except perhaps... (yes I know I use a lot of "except perhaps" in my posts)



Too many ones in DC, I can't just beleive it. Of course, we still can say Bethesda just made a not-canon mistake in adding so many chinese weapons in there, but I prefer keep thinking what I proposed before :
Because of the riots and the New Plague and because most of the american soldiers were still away or surveying the riots, Chinese soldiers started USA invasion the last weeks before the bombing, even after Anchorage defeat, where they might really have fired the oil resources before retreating as any army would have done.
I can understand why most of the Fallout purists don't like this idea as it seems incredible with not any text to confirm such a mad thing, but that's the only credible hypotesis I can just consider regarding to all the elements we have.
I suppose the timeline realism won't be the first concern of Bethesda making its expansion pack, so, even if I like their games, I am not waiting for something really clever from them about it.


Quite probable, except perhaps () a nuked land might still be more inhospitable than a more classical ancient warfare, thus perhaps it would be more easy to build something new there in a few centuries ?
But I may be wrong : With chemical and biological weapons use, such a warfare could also be even worst ?

P.S. Argh we are about to reach the post limit for this thread and I am definitively too talkative ; really sorry about it folks : Couldn't just help to share my opinion here :cookie: .