The Chinese made the stealth suit as their answer to the American T-51b power armor. Was it a good answer, or did the Chinese Dragoons get clobbered by them?

That's not hwo it went down, the Chinese discovered the Stealth Suit and, years later, the US discovered T51b.

Their creations are unrealted. The US's answer to dealing with the Chinese Stealth Suit was the creation of Stealth Boys.

In terms of 1v1, I think Stealth Armor would prevail. But in larger groups, Power Armor would slaughter.

I'm going to say here that the T-51b would win if a battle occurred between two soldiers each dressed in either suits. Considering how the US eventually invaded the Chinese mainland using T-51b and decimated their armies.

@ Sebor: I'm pretty sure that Eddo is right here, the Chinese answer to T-51b was the stealth suit. ( I think. )

You are wrong and Sebor is right.

China created Stealth Suit. America used captured Chinese tech to create Stealth Boys

T-51b Power Armour was created as a replacement for T-45d power armour. Power Armour was created to better protect troops on the battlefield and make people walking tanks.

The Chinese Stealth Suit and T-51b PA are not related. They were not created to counter one another at all.

T-51b power armour lore wise and as seen in the Originals would crush someone in a stealth suit.

Edit: If by somehow the Chinese Stealth suit was a counter to T-51b power armour (which it wasn't) it failed miserably. America was able to retake Alaska and invade China itself. American forces using T-51b power armour made it all the way to the heart of China, the Yangtze River.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Chinese_stealth_armor_(Operation:_Anchorage)

"Chinese stealth armor was used during the Chinese invasion of Alaska and was the Chinese solution to invasion by U.S. forces in power armor. It was available to elite Chinese Crimson Dragoon troops as well as the Black Ghost counter-insurgency/terror units before and during the Great War."

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Chinese_stealth_armor_(Operation%3A_Anchorage)

I always figured it was the solution to T-45d amor, not T-51b.

Well Winterized T-51b was weaker than original version.

I think it is a game mechanics thing. Or maybe we could figure it is weaker than the normal one because it has the winterized parts inside of it, making it slightly weaker.

China had the Stealth Suit first. Power armour came second. If anything power armour was a responce to Stealth suits but America also came up with Stealth Boys as the counter.

T-51b power armour came after T-45d power armour. T-45d PA was not cutting it on the battlefield of Alaska. So they came up with T-51b, which allowed America to take back Alaska and invade China.

So Stealth Suits timeline wise could not be a counter to T-51b because Stealth suits came first..

I haven't seen anything on the time the stealth suit was invented.

"Earlier Hei Gui models were also used during raids against the Hoover Dam secret laboratory and Limit-115 laboratory."

So maybe the Chinese improved the stealth armor for the power armors?

Eddo, anything to do with Van Buren isn't canon.

We know when Power Armour was created. We know that China had Stealth Suits when they invaded Alaska (If OA can be trusted). We know America used captured Stealth tech to make their own Stealth Boys.

I said it a couple times. Even if somehow it was a counter, it did not work. America at the time of October 23, 2077 was overrunning China itself.

The story with the suits on the dam may be true, due to the suit being found in New Vegas.

Operation Anchorage is a simulation, I barely trust it, the Chinese never had Chimera tanks either. I think the simulation was made either during or after the first invasion, so once they saw the armor they could have put it in just to toughen up the soldiers

I don't trust OA simply because it is a training simulation.

There is no lab at the Hoover Dam in New Vegas. The dam in New Vegas is nothing like it was to be in Van Buren. I see the stealth suits at the dam in New Vegas as an easter egg. A node to the fans that know about Van Buren.

I think it would be half true or a bit true. It sort of works as the stealth suits are worse in New Vegas than in OA.

It was used in the invasion of Alaska in 2067 and T51b wasn't standard issue until 2077.




Well you're right not to completely trust it but not because it was a simulation. General Chase went about changing a ton of things in it, going mad with the ability to make his own world, that by the end it was very different from the historical Operation Achorage.

We are told it was the counter to power armor not T-51b in general. In 2065 power armor research begins, a Chinese spy goes hey this looks like it will kill us, they report it and the Chinese invent the stealth armor.

I agree with you but for the spy part.

China would have already been working on it by 2067. Something that complicated isn't just created and mass produced in 2 years time.

A Spy could have seen the American research going into PA (T-45d) and reported it to China and they countered by working on Stealth Suits. I don't see that as being the case. If a Spy managed to get info on power armour, why didn't China make their own PA. which they didn't.

China had no effective counter to T-51b power armour. T-45d maybe but not T-51b

Remember winterized version was inferior to regular.

No it wasn't, that's just to balance gameplay, and they didn't make it until China had Anchorage, they would have no use for it until then.

If the stealth armor was some sort of countermeasure to the American PA troopers, then it was a poor one. It certainly didn't stop American troops from steamrolling into the Yangtze region.



This.

If the Chimera tanks really didn't exist, probably.


Yes it was, and it makes sense. Some armor is reduced for heating units in the suit or something.

I think it did but it still would be no match for a lore correct T-51b Power Armor wearing soldier.

Are you the Ruler of Lore? It was slightly weakened because it never degraded, it makes sense for it to be that way so you wouldn't have insanely good defense (althought it didn't do a good job). I doubt Bethesda would've thought "Lets make it weaker because their could be heaters inside" they more likely thought "Its a little overpowered so lets make it slightly weaker than normal T-51b".

The winterized T-51b is probally the closest thing to original power armor. With it never degrading, it always stays 45 dt. Hellfire armor is always degrading...