Essentially yes. The Legion as well as House, who depends upon the war lasting as long as it has.

Navarro fell twenty or thirty years ago. Long before the conflict between the NCR and the Legion begain. I get the impression Chris's twitter comments aren't properly organized. The NCR came to the Divide as a supply route to fight the legion in the Mojave. They then annexed the territory.

You want the NCR to be the custodian of Nukes? What the hell is wrong with you!


Not really. He uses the word "sack", i.e. institutionalised looting. I don't see how this means Navarro was in good shape. We already had a pretty good idea that the NCR's Vertibirds came from there before to-day and we have already hypothesised that this was likely some lost piece of tech that just got stored for a while. I still say that the place - on the surface at least - will be largely ruined, Enclave isn't going to go down without a fight, I'll rephrase that as required, we all know that the Enclave has access to a great deal of firepower and would likely utilise it all in the case of foreign invansion. 15-1 where the numbers at Helios, this was Navarro, an actually military base staffed by people whom are later described as slaughtering hundreds of Legion grunts.

I'm not saying the Enclave had a direct hand in the matter, indeed, they may have forgotten all about the existence of such a detonator within Navarro.

But indirectly they are, as their base (which the NCR captured) is where the device came from. That is confimed. Thus, its a fitting sort of irony that the base they stole from the Enclave has been their undoing in the Divide and may have cost them the war in the Mojave.

You sounded like you were saying directly. The question still remains why?
Now what I might accept is that a Legion Frumentarii, took the package and intentionally detonating the nukes within the silos knowing it would destroy the supply route and do serious damage to the NCR war effort.

That's not what happened though (according to Chris), he says that the NCR sent the Courier.

In many ways, that would make more sense. Rather than the NCR trusting a lone Courier to deliver an ICBM detonator.



No reason apparently. The NCR I guess just went "Hmm...like goes with like!" and decided to ship off the object with the "pretty design" to the place with the same "pretty designs". :shrug:

Yeah, cause it's a game then, with a limited gameworld and limited content and limited choice.
What else can I do?
NCR (lore-wise) could have done tons of things as this was part of the lore, not player accessible content.
Besides, NCR didn't have control over the Divide right? That's why Ulysses liked it, cause it was it's own little savannah nation.
So why send it there? Cause it has similar markings as the place? That's an awful reason.
You don't send away salvaged Enclave tech to some place cause of similar markings, you study it and learn it's contents and purpose.

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Just read that NCR annexed it, but they used it as an NCR supply line into the Mojave, doesn't sound like they were too interested in The Divide for it's pre-war tech as no mention to the OSI is made.
Even if the OSI had a branch there it still doesn't make sense to me as to why'd they just send it off directly withouth properly investigating it first.
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So say a game took place in NCR and I am one of those scientists of their OSI, then I get some strange device, hmm, I wonder what I'll do...
I know! I'll use my Electronics/Mechanics/Repair/Science skill on it and figure it out!
Oh whats that?
It has strange codes on it?
And it seems to have a receiver too?
The Divide has similar markings, maybe I should send a team there to look around before I go there with this device that has an unknown purpose to me?
Yeah I'm gonna do that.
- "But Dr. Raptor, shouldn't we send it straight to The Divide? It's easier if we have the device in the unexplored unknown pre-war military land than if we have to work on it on two different locations."
No Dr Cheeseball we will not do that as I with my 10 INT stat know that Enclave tech is dangerous and will take every precatution I can to hinder a potential disaster.
*Kimball walks in*
- "What's this about spending extra time and resources when we could cut those fivefolds?"
Well see Mr President this tech might be really dangerous to bring there as we have no idea what it does, and as it has codes in it along with a receiver so whatever is down there could react to it and this could be very dangerous, it's Enclave tech after all Mr President, we've seen just how dangerous Navarro was, is it really the best idea to send it over to one of their possibly former facilities?
- "If it's going to cost less then yes."
Aha...
*takes unknown device and runs for the hills then smashes it to pieces and drops each piece in a different corner of the gameworld.*

If I had an Enclave device with markings on it similar to the Divide then I'd prefferably use a skill on it and figure out what it does before I stroll on down to The Divide, and when I figure out that it is planned to react within a certain range and send unknown codes to military facilities (See, if I have 10 INT and max Science/Electronics then I should be able to figure this out.) then I'd be even more careful about it.
NCR could have done just that, they have their OCI or whatever it's name is, but they didn't, they were braindead morons that sent an unknown device to a place with similar markings just because.

So the difference between me and NCR? I have game restrictions holding me back, NCR, lore-wise, does not. Therefor I can bash them all I want.

I would meant the legion spy took the package after it was delivered.


That wasn't my question. Why the NCR sent it there was obvious.
Why the device was designed to launch nuclear missiles simply by being brought into close proximity was my question.


Maybe they did investigate it and found nothing. Maybe they spent twenty years trying to figure out how to make it work and then sent it to the divide. Or maybe they thought it open a door instead of detonating nukes

I highly doubt it was designed to function that way. It's probably some sort of malfunction of sorts which caused it to send the launch signals prematurely. The nukes didn't blow up until after the Courier had left it in the Divide for some time, so something went wrong within that time frame. Perhaps someone was tinkering with it and caused it to activate.

Its 200 year old equipment after all, things happen. :shrug:

It is Enclave tech so it could not be easy to find out what it actually "did".
But if it can be created it can be figured out.
It's more likely to me that they didn't send it through the appropriate channels and instead let scientists incompetent in that area of expertise work on it.
When they found nothing instead of letting it circulate for a while they thought it was less costy and time-consuming to just send it straight up there to work with it on site.
After all, NCR likes money, that's a big negative point for them, so this speculation is more probable for me than that they honestly couldn't find any single thing through all their scientists during 20 years. Cause letting their scientists work on something that yields no fruit wastes time, resources and money that could be spent elsewhere.

Given that the NCR hired Fantastic to run Helios One, yeah I could see them sending the device to the Divide because it had similar markings.

Yeah, but doesn't Ulysses refer to The Courier having some connection to the divide beyond being the one that unwittingly brought in a device that would seal the divide's fate? I'd imagine The Courier had forgotten this history of his as a result of a case of 'bullet-head-itis?"

Aye B)

With all due respect however I hope the developers don't start making everything official.

My personal interpretation still stands: Courier 6 took the package since it reminded him of his home. The package bore Old World symbols and was taken from Navarro = Courier's home = Navarro :nod:

I'm sorry, your interpretation is stupid.

:disguise:

Ah, and your remark is showing some superior intellect of yours?


Besides arousing an amusing urge to kill someone your post reminded me of a 12-year-old child who throws a rock at passing cars, and runs away.
I hope you have a point, for I wasted entire seconds to process your comment.

Ah, a true Enclave reply. Meet hostility with even better, more eloquent elitist hostility :thumbsup: . I loved the sarcastic opening, something I myself love to do myself in scathing replies.

i think the game points out that the divide community was once the couriers home? i think ive only played lonesome road once getting ready for my second run so ill find out again

Glad to have your approval


Courier Six was building the Divide. It was apparently a new society, on its zenith when the package destroyed it. The Courier is not from the Divide, he does not even remember where he is from. However, Ulysses says that the Courier took the package because the markings on it, the Old World symbols, reminded him of his home. Thus, my interpretation.

Rather that the Divide is where the Courier built a prosperous town that, obviously, become his home; his backstory prior to this is still unknown - or maybe LR confirms that the Courier was born in NCR land, I can't remember.

It may, I know it confirms that the courier wandered around the west for a while, for all we know s/he is an NCR citizen, or maybe from New Reno, before it was NCR's.

I doubt Enclave, as s/he didn't recognize the remnants at all.

Boom, headshot! Benny erased the Courier's memories. That's why he has only vague memories of his past, able to recall places he visited but apparently not what he did there. The Courier has been to New Reno if I recall, as well as Montana if the Lady Killer perk is to be believed. Utah too. The Courier does not remember where he is actually from. He did, but being shot in the head did short work of that.

Besides, the Enclave used to be a large faction with possibly thousands of people in the control station. Most soldiers wore power armor too. The Enclave wasn't a little happy family like the vaults.
I was more surprised that the Courier seemed to know about the Enclave already, as there was no option to ask Arcade and the others to what the Enclave actually was (Arcade mentions it's the remnants of pre-war govt., but leaves it at that). Surprising as nobody else seems to remember the Enclave, nobody else in the game mentions them except Marcus.

It might be just a Gameplay thing, But did you ever wonder about the APA at the DC Promentory?
How does a mere prospecter get his hands on a suit of APA when the best the NCR can do is T-45d?
It must have been a Soldiers........or the Couriers.
(Roleplaying is fun, is it not?)

I forgot about Benny. I remember Ulysses talking about how the courier was from the west or something like, that don't remember.

I didn't want to bother elaborating on WHY it's stupid, but here we go!

:flamethrower:

Courier hardly seems to know the Enclave existed. When Daisy Whitman mentions being a a Vertibird Pilot, he/she assumes she means NCR. When talking to Arcade during "For Auld Lang Syne", courier seems almost entirely ignorant of the Enclave.

Also, if the courier was Enclave, why would he deliver the package to The Divide, instead of keeping it for himself? You theory is thoroughly nonsensical, and in fact clashes with quite a bit of what we know about the courier.

EDIT: Convenient that in your theory, the Courier forgot HIS ENTIRE CHILDHOOD, but not the rest of his life.
Courier never makes any statements, nor is it ever implied, that he has memory problems since being shot.

:facepalm: