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"NCR sacks Navarro in the West, recovers a bunch of tech they don't understand, as history has proven.

They do, however, recognize the symbols (American flag, silo stencils, etc.) and recognize it might be tied to the same symbols and markings the NCR found at the Divide.

NCR hires a Courier to take the item there. They don't for a second think that anything bad will happen as a result, and neither does the player.

Player delivers package, leaves.

The package is a detonator that contains missile launch codes that just needs to get within range and start chatting with launch computers."

One more reason to hate NCR.
[censored] idiots, they could at the very least have tried to reverse engineer what they had aquired but instead sends it off to a non NCR settlement simply for having similar symbols.

NCR acting incompetent. What a surprise.

I really wish he wouldn't pull this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod crap on Lonesome Road, though. It really ruins the mystique.

Good ol' NCR hate. I guarantee if any other faction was responsible for it, people would be up in arms about how awesome it was and how great it all is.

How dare the NCR send tech that they dont understand to the place where they can figure it out. Noone else could possibly make a mistake like that.

Well actually, the legion wouldnt be smart enough to figure it out, seeing how they cant even fix an autodoc.

House would prolly have done it on purpose lol.

If the NCR is stupid for doing so, then I guess the courier is too for thinking the same. And if the stupid courier works with someone does that make them stupid for choosing the stupid courier?

Great info. Maybe they sent it to the divide to reverse engineer it there. They already have some idea what it's for, so they sent it where there was other items with the same symbols.

What I find interesting about that info is that the Enclave had their hands on nuclear weapons and did not use it. Could be that they were trying to not introduce more radiation into the world, or were out of range from them.

Ha! An Enclave parting shot. :intergalactic:

That's for taking Navarro NCR bastards.



Probably both. The Enclave would have had no reason to use the warheads with The Project in the works. All it would do is cause more problems.

Point proven. Took a few posts though.

The NCR didn't own the divide, or if they did the people were independant or something. So you're nukes were wasted, unless you shoot them later on at the NCR. The first nukes were wasted! Ha!

There were however, many NCR soldiers stationed in the Divide, and part of the reason why the NCR has been having so much trouble with the Legion is because the Divide cut off part of their supply line.

:( Oh Well the Enclave killed some soldiers, but the NCR finsihed the Enclave off on the west coast, so it's all good.

By the time Navarro fell, there wasn't many Enclave soldiers left there.

In order for Fallout 3 to make any sense at all, nearly all the soldiers and personnel from Navarro went East.

I am an NCR fan but even I think that is funny, even though it wasn't the Enclave's plan for that to happen.



It does make sense. Radiation causes mutations and the last things they want is more mutations. Being out of range of them also seems likely.


On another note, the NCR did figure out some of the Enclave tech, such as vertibirds. If they already had an understanding of them from say the Shi or Brotherhood (depending on if they got their hands on the blue prints in Fallout 2). Some of the tech would be over their heads but it proves that NCR managed to take Navarro pretty much intact. That the Enclave didn't self destruct.

That is why I say finished them off on the west coast, not utterly destroyed them.


Mmmm, information. It's always good to find some possible canon info.

Indeed. I'm sure they didn't plan it at all. But its still some sweet revenge for them.

And unlike the "Can launch all nukes at NCR" option, this is for sure canon.




My thoughts exactly.



I'm not sure they are able to manufacture them though. The Vertibirds the NCR has used just look like stolen Enclave birds.

But yes, it still means that Navarro was pretty much intact when taken.

The Shi and Brotherhood were very interested in getting the plans for a Vertibird in Fallout 2. Now we don't know if that is canon or not but since the NCR knows how to fly them, that to me means that one of them did get their hands on those plans. My money is on the Shi. They would not want the plans if they didn't have the means to build them. The Shi could also be apart of NCR.

I'd rather the Shi have gotten the plans (if the plans have to have been stolen in canon).

Perhaps the Shi is able to manufacture Vertibirds, and by some alliance/treaty they sell the NCR a few (or the NCR simply uses a couple they captured at Navarro)?

That could also help to explain why the Shi are independent (if indeed they are, which is what I'm hoping for) as the NCR probably would not want to tangle with a vertibird-armed Shi.

Navarro need not be necessarily in-tact, underground hangers could be a source of the Vertibirds and the machinery to launch pre-war Nuclear Missiles are hardly something that the Encalve needs, it would just have been in some storage unit and likely forgotten about since the war itself.

I find that this device came from Navarro to be rather pointless IMO, surely there are more places in between Navarro and Hopeville that might be more suited such as Seirra Army Depot, and why wait 3 decades to send it? Did it just get lost in the haul of loot or sometihng?

I would also like them to be independant, but being surrounded by NCR doesn't give them many trade partners.

With the Capture of Navarro, I am sure NCR could get their hands on Vertibird blue prints and enough parts to study and research. With help from the Shi they could have trained pilots.

If the Shi has been made part of the NCR, the NCR's ability to make them would be even easier. They could also help with much of the other captured tech. Still if the Shi was apart of NCR, then that tech wouldn't be over their heads.. :ermm:



We don't know when Navarro fell to NCR and we don't know when NCR came across the tech in the Divide. So really it could have been alot less time then 30 years. The device could have been stored away by NCR science nerds and it took awhile for someone to put two and two together.

Hmmm....is it possible that Navarro just recently fell?

Could it have been that when Whitley sent ED-E, Navarro hadn't yet fallen?

I think that could be possible, or the courier is an old man, or the NCR held onto the thing for a while. Those seem to be the three conclusions that are possible. I would enjoy the Enclave holding out the most though.

I still find it rather pointless, they could have canonised somewhere from Van Buren - even if in name only, like they have done before - but no it comes from Navarro for no explicable reason. At best I will say it's evidence of the Enclave's past as the pre-war continuation of the Federal Government and you that the insane megalomaniacs Coven of the Enclave - whom also held positions and had the funding required to accomplish a mammoth of clandestone tasks - ferretted it away to propogate the Nuclear War and the purging of the unclean from the world.

Nothing is accomplished.

Because who else would have the lauch codes to active ICBM's?

Apparently it is protocol in D.C. that the Base Commander keep them in a safe in his on-site residence. They could end up anywhere due to the 200 years of looting and such.

I am not sure what you mean by this? The Enclave having such a device, even if they had no interest in using it. Can't can't hurt to have a couple ICBM's around. Navarro falling was already canon before this information. NCR wanted to know what the device was and brought it to the Divide where tech with the same markers was.



I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for him to send ED-E while Navarro was still active.