Cigars/Cigarettes : V - Skyrim

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:37 am

No, Mayans didn't use Tobacco for smoking, it was similair to Cocoa, valuable and a luxury, drinking chocolate or smoking a cigarette was equivalent to bathing in gold or burning cash, tobacco is called tobacco for a reference point

no. they smoked it. there's a cited reference here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette#History

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:37 am

Guns and planes are made up of technologies that don't exist in the TES world (except maybe in lost dwemer technology) cigarette technology is very simple and does exist however, so you have no point there.

if tobacco wasn't meant to be tobacco from our reality than they would of named it something different.

I don't know. Ask them why they haven't included cigarettes in any of the previous Elder Scrolls. I'm not Bethesda, but I'm sure it wasn't out of their reach if they wanted them in the game.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:06 am

no. they smoked it. there's a cited reference here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette#History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_tobacco, they chewed it more (as I found out after some research) and I believe this is how it was supposed to be consumed in OB

Chewing is one of the oldest methods of consuming tobacco. Native Americans in both North and South America chewed the leaves of the plant, frequently mixed with the mineral lime. Chewing tobacco was the most prevalent form of tobacco use in the United States until it was overtaken by cigarette smoking in the early 20th century.

I think Bethesda included it with chewing in mind

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:33 am

I don't know. Ask them why they haven't included cigarettes in any of the previous Elder Scrolls. I'm not Bethesda, but I'm sure it wasn't out of their reach if they wanted them in the game.

i don't care that it wasn't in the last games, i just want it in this one.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:07 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_tobacco, they chewed it more (as I found out after some research) and I believe this is how it was supposed to be consumed in OB

well it seemed they just swallowed it in OB. but yeah they may have chewed it more, but smoking tobacco was also well known, usually only used for ceremonies, but still used for leisure as well even in ancient times

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:57 pm

Pipes date back farther than cigarettes and cigars by a lot.

"Pipes have been used since ancient times. Herodotus described Scythians inhaling the fumes of burning leaves in 500 B.C. Romans, and Greeks adopted pipes from their neighbors to the east and they were subsequently used by Germanic, Celtic and Nordic tribes."

If you want to get technical about it. If anything, pipes would match the times TES seems to draw inspiration from.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:50 pm

Pipes date back farther than cigarettes and cigars by a lot.

"Pipes have been used since ancient times. Herodotus described Scythians inhaling the fumes of burning leaves in 500 B.C. Romans, and Greeks adopted pipes from their neighbors to the east and they were subsequently used by Germanic, Celtic and Nordic tribes."

If you want to get technical about it. If anything, pipes would match the times TES seems to draw inspiration from.

Not to mention North American Peace Pipes, ancient peoples would have had more uses for paper than burning it

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:57 am

Pipes date back farther than cigarettes and cigars by a lot.

"Pipes have been used since ancient times. Herodotus described Scythians inhaling the fumes of burning leaves in 500 B.C. Romans, and Greeks adopted pipes from their neighbors to the east and they were subsequently used by Germanic, Celtic and Nordic tribes."

If you want to get technical about it. If anything, pipes would match the times TES seems to draw inspiration from.

okay so now you want pipes... i thought you were against smoking tobacco this whole time.

but anyway TES is more inspired by the medieval ages 500-1500 AD. where cigarettes would have existed too

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:46 am

Cigarettes should raise your charisma and make all the NPCs think you are really cool.
On a serious note I have no problem with cigs or cigars in game, but I don't know if they would fit in TES. Maybe cigars and pipes, but I can't picture cigarettes a least not modern looking cigarettes.
I think chewing tobacco would make the most sense and that was in Oblivion and Fallout New Vegas, because that is the oldest way to consume tobacco. And how cool would it be to spit on everyone who annoys you.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:05 pm

Its not going to happen because its alot less important to the devs then about 500000 other things they already cant manage to fit into the game due to time and resources.

They did growing your homes in mw because alot of people wanted it..and they had the time to do it.. and it was damn neato. this is none of those things. There are quite litteraly an ocean of things more interesting and fun then smoking.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:24 am

Its not going to happen because its alot less important to the devs then about 500000 other things they already cant manage to fit into the game due to time and resources.

They did growing your homes in mw because alot of people wanted it..and they had the time to do it.. and it was damn neato. this is none of those things. There are quite litteraly an ocean of things more interesting and fun then smoking.

yeah, but putting a little stick in your mouth would take much time to include i imagine. it's just one of those little things that makes me more immersed in the game if i see NPC's smoking in a tavern, and my badass ranger/assassin smoking a cigarette after an assassination

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:30 pm

yeah, but putting a little stick in your mouth would take much time to include i imagine. it's just one of those little things that makes me more immersed in the game if i see NPC's smoking in a tavern, and my badass ranger/assassin smoking a cigarette after an assassination

It would not be hard. It would be very similar to the NPC eating animations. And it would probably take no time at all to design an ingame cigar.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:14 am

okay so now you want pipes... i thought you were against smoking tobacco this whole time.

but anyway TES is more inspired by the medieval ages 500-1500 AD. where cigarettes would have existed too

Yes, if anything, pipes would look great inside pubs and whatnot. I just think they are more tasteful and "fantasy" than cigarettes. It would just look better in my opinion.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:03 am

I would rather smoking was left out of the game.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:06 am

Yes, if anything, pipes would look great inside pubs and whatnot. I just think they are more tasteful and "fantasy" than cigarettes. It would just look better in my opinion.

it is more like Tolkien-esque or D&D fantasy to have only pipes, but i personally like darker fantasy that doesn't really have to follow the status-quo.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:32 pm

Yes, if anything, pipes would look great inside pubs and whatnot. I just think they are more tasteful and "fantasy" than cigarettes. It would just look better in my opinion.

Hmm, pipes would fit the fantasy system better than cigarettes. It doesn't matter what we had in the real world, what matters is how people would percieve it.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:50 am

For me, if they added cigarettes/cigars I doubt I'd be able to bring myself to play the game before they had been modded out. To me the idea of people smoking cigarettes in TES just feels completely out of place and downright silly, this is my opinion anyhow.

Pipes I could probably stand, they just have a more fitting feel to them, feeling more ancient and fantasy-like.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:09 am

For me, if they added cigarettes/cigars I doubt I'd be able to bring myself to play the game before they had been modded out. To me the idea of people smoking cigarettes in TES just feels completely out of place and downright silly, this is my opinion anyhow.

Pipes I could probably stand, they just have a more fitting feel to them, feeling more ancient and fantasy-like.

Exactly my thoughts.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:17 am

The ancient aztecs and mayans smoked cigarettes and cigars... do your homework

EDIT: most of you people think these are out of place cause TES is based on medieval Europe, where they didn't have tobacco. immediately when columbus brought back tobacco from America cigars, cigarettes, and pipe smoking started in Europe

you people only think smoking pipes fit more in TES because Lord of the Rings.

cigarettes ? really ?
I didn't knew they had paper.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:03 am

Pipe smoking is the oldest form of smoking, so traditionally, and lore wise. It fits more than a cigar or cigarette. The reason that you see so many pipe smokers in the Lord of the Rings was because J.R.R. Tolkien loved pipe smoking. I'd hardly call it Tolkien-esque to have pipes in.

TES is based on medieval Europe

Some influence, yes. Based on? No.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:16 pm

For the sake of an "M" rating, and distribution on the PS3 and XBOX, tobacco use will definitely not be part of the vanilla game. I'm sure we will see a mod for this tho. It's not hard to do...http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=31234

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:04 am

I have just two points to make:

1. :dead: Smoking is injurious to health and leads to death.

2. :nope: Smoking does not make you look cool.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:57 am

In morrowind there where bongs for your skooma this should be included other wise it's just half the idea again. I want my crack pipe back!!

Oh and why is it you cant have a convo about smoking with out ppl being all oooh it's bad for u n not cool, well c here next time tlyou c a fat person you tell them the same thing! See if you don't get told you are horrible, when really fatness is just as insidious as smoking...

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:22 am

Pipes would fit into Tamriel Cigars would fit into Castros hand

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:50 am

I have just two points to make:

1. :dead: Smoking is injurious to health and leads to death.

lol,someone can say the same about swords and maces,and arrows.
:P
should we tell them to remove those from the game too ?