Cities in akavir

Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:39 pm

Are there still cities in Akavir and what would they look like?
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Nick Pryce
 
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:00 pm

yes and we don't know. http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/ionith.shtml is as close as we get.
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:08 pm

yes and we don't know. http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/ionith.shtml is as close as we get.


That's the thing about TES: in real life, there would have been many expeditions of merchants, soldiers, and missionaries to Akavir. In the world of the Elder Scrolls, the continent of Tamriel is content to leave Akavir as a mysterious, unapproachable land.

I don't think we'll ever see Akavir in-game. By now, it could be anything from a Chinese-type empire to anarchy.
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:56 am

Are there still cities in Akavir and what would they look like?


http://www.imperial-library.info/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=Lore/80
The Tsaesci capital city is an egg (but not really) made of creatia submerged in a great lake or inland sea somewhere toward the center of Akavir. Entrance to it is provided by light tides flowing from the shore into various pores in the outer shell, and the city itself exists on the inside of the shell with a sun in the center of the egg, somewhat like Symmes' hollow earth nonsense.

Fan fiction, but that's what one would look like. I don't think the Tsaesci would build other cities. The kamal don't live in cities, they just ctawl out of hell in the summer to kill and [censored]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong#Havoc_in_the_Heavenly_Kingdom to the Ka po tun among Tosh'raka's "Scales of Heaven." Which is their own Aldmeris.

And this is a load of crap, but Mysterious Akavir remains a mystery, so just think... mysteriously, when thinking of cities.
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:57 am

And this is a load of crap, but Mysterious Akavir remains a mystery, so just think... mysteriously, when thinking of cities.
It's mysterious because we don't know what's there, that doesn't mean the cities are mysterious. They could all live in bungalows.
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Post » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:06 am

I am entertaining much of this in the part 2 of my fanfic, where the Nerevarine indeed is going there (according the the street talk in Oblivion).

From many of the books in both games, it seems that at least along the coast there should be some old ruins that might bore both Tsaesci and Imperial flavorings, due to the Invasion of Akavir (23rd Rain's Hand 288) where they took the Tsaesci port and renamed it Septimia. Didn't last though. It says the Tsaesci are sea-faring now, so I imagine ships making raids to the goblinoid races that they are now enslaving and eating since men and mer are no longer on the menu.

The Kamal (Snow Hell) remind me of images in the very old anime called Devilman, where the demons were all frozen deep in the ice and snow, so I imagine just huge expanse of broken glacial fissures.

For ToshRaka's realm, I just pictured the ubiquitous voclcanic and barren areas. Lots of black obsidian glass and sharp earth. Caldera and lava flutes. Since they aspire to be the dragons that are no longer indigenous, I'm thinking caves are more important than actual brick/wattle/daub/rooved buildings.

Mysterious, and then some. Any ruins from the time with the Oriental Akavirian flare would probably show signs of the constant Kamal attacks or the dragons before they were enslaved by the Tsaesci and arcanely experimented on by the Ka Po Tun.
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:35 pm

Bethesda can always diva game outside the main storyline, like Redguard I think, and have us play Nerevarine in Akavir, or some random PC they make up, who knows that's the great thing about TES.
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Post » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:00 am

It's mysterious because we don't know what's there...

The cities are mysterious because we don't know what's there, that dosn't mean the denizens are mysterious.

They could all live in bungalows.

Bungalows of mystery.
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:13 pm

That's the thing about TES: in real life, there would have been many expeditions of merchants, soldiers, and missionaries to Akavir. In the world of the Elder Scrolls, the continent of Tamriel is content to leave Akavir as a mysterious, unapproachable land.



That's fiction for you, it doesn't have to follow any sort of realistic logic as long as it achieves whatever goal it aims to achieve.

Fan fiction, but that's what one would look like. I don't think the Tsaesci would build other cities. The kamal don't live in cities, they just ctawl out of hell in the summer to kill and [censored]. The Tang Mo live subsurviently to the Ka po tun among Tosh'raka's "Scales of Heaven." Which is their own Aldmeris.


If it's from fan material, than it should be completely ignored, since whatever fans say has absolutely no bearing on canon, unless in the event that the developers just say "Sure, why not?" and decide to throw a fan theory in there just because it's kind of a good idea, or some fan eventually manages to land himself in a position where he can control what happens in future Elder Scrolls games, and decides to put his favorite fan theory in the game (This kind of thing usually is limited to cases where a series runs long enough, of course, but I suppose it could happen.)

At best, any fan material is speculation based on existing hints that may or may not turn out to be inaccurate, at worst, it's something a fan just completely made up out of nothing, in general, fan fiction can be enjoyed as good stories based on someone else's material if it's actually good, but one must never make the mistake of assuming it has any bearing on the canon universe, the Elder Scrolls universe is not a collaborative work created by the fans, it's a fictional setting made by Bethesda.

But yes, I'd imagine that Akavir has its cities, after all, there are people living there, and if you have settled, civilized people, cities seem like the logical path of progression. Now what do the cities look like? Who knows, I'm leaning towards something along the lines of the stereotypical traditional Chinese or Japanese city, at least for Tseasci, with of course snake people replacing humans, because seeing Bethesda reduce Cyrodiil to Generic Fantasy Land in Oblivion has caused me to lose confidence in Bethesda's ability to continue to provide creative environment designs, and we already know that there's at least some Oriental influence in the snake-men. But as long as we don't see the real thing, we can't say for certain what it's like, so we can make up our own ideas, even though if we ever do see Akavir in any games, there's a good chance it won't be like what we imagine.

For the other races, though, I honestly don't know, I suspect that the Kamal wouldn't really have cities, since from what I understand of them they don't exactly sound like the city building sort, if they're even sapient at all, it isn't entirely obvious that they are. The other races, though, who can say?

The cities are mysterious because we don't know what's there, that dosn't mean the denizens are mysterious.


Well, I'd say the denezins are kind of mysterious too, since there's also a lot we don't know about them, and what we do comes from sources that could be quite outdated in the context of the Elder Scrolls universe, and could potentially be inaccurate, seeing as books in the Elder Scrolls aren't always right, much like in real life in that respect.
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:07 pm

Ionoth and Septima are all we know
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Post » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:17 pm

who can say?

That's all you needed to say.
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