What's even weirder is that merchants don't buy stolen goods. I mean, I stole a [censored] spoon in someone's house and a merchant in the other town KNOWS that I stole it?

The Annoying Fan told everyone. OBVIOUSLY.

That's because your hand is covered in wet red paint every time you steal something.

I actually hate the fact that in some games you would complete a task for which anybody would become famous and people wouldn't even bat an eyelid or they would say 'someone'. So I would rather everyone knew it was me than the other way. I should get the recognition.

I very much agree.
I like having NPC's commenting on my feats and adventures.

Son of Skyrim 1: "Hey look, it's the Dragonborn."

Son of Skyrim 2: " Can't be, not tall enough"

Dragonborn: " Sons of Skyrim, I am the Dragonborn"

Son of Skrim 2: "The Dragonborn is 7 ft tall"

Dragonborn: "Yeah, I've heard. He kills dragons by the hundreds and if he were here he'd consume the dragons with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his ass."

Totally agree, I hope they change this.

I thought it was pretty obvious why they all know it instantly.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/loveletter-fifth-era-true-purpose-tamriel

after all. It's a hive mind, man. They just don't realize it.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/loveletter-fifth-era-true-purpose-tamriel

Think about how Red Dead Redemption did it. There would be a newspaper with cool random articles and then articles about your exploits. Id like to see something like this in Skyrim. Yeah, and also get rid of that stolen flag unless its a super duper rare painting, gem, weapon, scepter, etc

Sorry OP but I dont agree with this at all. This may be hard for your young mind to comprehend, but there was heroes and word of mouth long before TV and Photos. You think Jesus became popular from his television appearances? How about stories of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Use a bit of imagination. Folklore and stories of other lands, places, and people have been around for thousands of years.

While I agree the AI needs to be stepped up, to become more realistic when addressing these issues, I like the fact that people in game have heard of me and my exploits. In fact, I hope to over hear even more talk about the things I personally have done for the realm.

If I saved the entire world or area from complete destruction, I ask you, what seems more un realistic. People in the world knowing and adoring you for saving them? Or everyone continuing on with their business and pretending you never existed?

Teehee. Win.

Clearly there is some time and distance compression in the game. It should take days to walk from city to city. So when you do something amazing and they "instantly" know about it, I just say that time has passed. People have spread the story, traveled between the cities, told their friends about you. Maybe even some of the people who did see you went around and described you to people. I don't know, think about it in a way that makes sense to you.

Exactly. NPC's use telepathy, obviously

It's really no worse than walking out of the sewers a mere 5 minutes after the Emperor was assassinated in a secret passage way, walking into the market district to hear everyone talking about the Emperor's assassination.

I Like it but I would like to see a feasible reason as to why these people recognize me. Like after you do a few notable things have a artist come up and offer to paint you. And maybe have some one want to write a book about you and you could have different options on what to tell him about different events, they could range from the truth to a huge lie to a comedic farce of the true events. In his book he could have a sketching of you or a detailed picture of you.

Paintings and books are copied and reproduced and over time I would like to see you become famous in different regions because of this and have people come up and ask if your the hero from the book/painting they read/saw.

If you don't do the painting and/or book you could remain anomonous in towns and if you try to reveal who you are people most people should treat you with disbeleif.

If I am a high ranking member of a guild I want people associated with that guild to recognize me as that rank where ever I go, but common people or people in other guilds not associated with that guild should not know or care about my guild or rank within it.

Well it doesn't make sense when you switch gear and what not but people can give descriptions of the hero of Kvatch though and if your wearing the same gear as you did in Kvatch or you obviously stand out from other people like you have neon green hair or a giant scar across your face (not possible in Oblivion but scars are in Skyrim) then it makes sense for people to recognize you. But if your a totally unremarkable person with different armor, then it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, I mean everyone could recognize http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1398049/1 because he was so hideous.

Good idea. :thumbsup:

The problem isn't whether the people of Tamriel will or will not recognize you, the problem is HOW they come to recognize you... even if you are naked, wearing a blank mask made of faeces, or dressed quite common/generic, with exactly the same clothes as the innkeeper1, it doesn't matter, they will pretty much recognize you after the Kvatch event.

1 For this situation, what prevents the drawing of the hero to be confused with the countenance of the inkeeper?

Okay I'm prolly gunna get flamed but...

I really liked how they handled status between you and the AI in Fable. Like at first you were a nobody then when you started doing more deeds you'd become unsung and occasionally a person would approch you and say, "oh hey I think I heard of you. you did blah blah blah" Then if you were really famous people would either come and cheer for you (good) or run away in fear of you (bad)

Wow you guys are getting entirely too in depth. The system of people referring to events you have completed in game, is not a big flaw in the series. Throughout this post, many people have explained how or why this makes sense. Use your imagination a little bit, Jesus.

I dont understand why people are complaining about being noticed for doing good/bad deeds. I think the idea of no one noticing the things youve done sounds like a step in the wrong direction. There needs to be a feeling that your quests mean something, and have consequences and results in the game.

You quoted me, so i'm answering to your quote now...

I'm not referring to this problem as a big flaw, actually it didn't even bothered my gameplay of the game, i'm just making a statement about what the OP is referring to... and... as i said previously, the complain is not about the "yes" or "no" for recognition, it is the WAYS of recognition that really stands up as a immersion problem here, specially for the sneaky ones that get saluted at every corner.

EDIT: Indeed you must be infamously recognized if you get persecuted by guards in the middle of the city or reported by someone, and famously recognized if you get WITNESSED/described during/after doing a world changer deed... but you should be able to disguise yourself, it should be a possibility at your disposal (with some variables for sure).

HA! Well, naturally, could there be any other explanation..? :tongue:

I liked it, lol. I mean it made me feel important anyway. :hubbahubba:

If Edward I walked through a town in common clothes, People wouldn't be any the wiser, if he walked through in Noble clothes people might just think he's some rich guy, if he came through with 100 guards in a horse drawn gilded carriage people would know. Come on think about it.

They're going to make it like Fable where people randomly wander into your house in such large numbers that they block you from leaving once you become famous.

I remember in Fable 2 that I'd wake up from sleeping and walk downstairs unable to get out my front door because of all the people. I was like wtf when I wandered into someone's house they'd get PO'd and call the guards, then I wake up and everyone in town has broken into my house and made themselves at home and the guards get pissed when I start shooting my gun off and throwing fireballs. Anyways thats when I decided I needed a balcony. :laugh:

Wait what was I saying?

Fair enough...I think it was the feces smeared mask that did it for me lol, but I had to say something. I still dont think that 'disguise' is as big a deal as some make it, but completely agree the system for noticing and remarking on a players status needs completely revamped.

One issue is that there are multiple different 'names' and statuses you can earn, such as for doing the main quest as opposed to doing the thieves guild quests. If I do both, am I the Hero of Kvatch, or the Grey Fox? Certain NPCs could refer to you as certain names similar to OB, where beggers/thieves guild members associated you with your theives guild ranking, while random npcs typically associated you with your Main quest status. Regardless, I dont get paid nearly enough to work out the details. Hopefully one day, when Im working for gamesas, I will have the honor...

Even more annoying was how people referred to your stats. Again, it was a great idea that was poorly implemented. Now, everytime I walk by someone I overhear "You look like your handy with a Blade" or "You have the eyes of a trained marksman", or other stupid , generic comments. They were awful examples of AI, and every time I heard it I cringed.

Again though ,its not that I dont want people to notice how uber good I am with the sword, I just dont want them to sound so stupid and artificial when doing so.