Well, I guess this is what happens when you go out of your way to bring more buyers to your genre Skyrim brought a lot of new blood. The new fans come with new expectations as well.

I've never cared much about graphics. A good story and game play is all I need to have fun. More concerning are the changes to dialog that fundamentally alter the way you play the game. It's Dragon Age 2 all over again. Unforgivable.

A civil discussion? On these forums? HAH.

I like the graphics they look pretty good to me. Then again I'm not particularly picky about graphics.

You know, I hope the OP asks a moderator to close the thread not because is becoming bad but because it's becoming boring. Graphics vs graphics. I think the OP already has got what he was looking for. Maybe he can write a book. ^^

Bethesda is doing great. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to Fallout 4 and all other future games as well.

to late to moan about the graphics now buy it don't buy its all over but the crying

I agree with People saying the games are very different. in fallout 3, and I assume, 4, each NPC is just like you. He has his stats, his amor, weapons, cash, routine, facegen data, and ties to the world, like family, inheritances and dispositions.

In Witcher, NPCs are just Mobs with something to say and unique, non-lootable clothing on. you can have more of these guys on screen at once.

I did not like the witcher 3 either, the bad itemisation (levelled gear, finding Velen longswords far more powerful than the Winter Blade) horrendous menus, and that darn Arkham\AssCreed sticky combat (that really needs to die, BTW) and poor exploration controls killed it for me, and rendered 1st person unfeasible. But that does not mean it was a bad game, graphics, depth, characters... all lead to a game I had to finnish. But it was a chore to do so. The reasons I did not like it, however, are completely unrelated to the issues we face here.

They DID offer a large open world to explore, do quests, and almost live in with extreme graphical fidelity. The animations and cloth physics were great, but those eyecandy animations lead to geralt being a damn piece of trash to control on a PC. So to say a game like this CANNOT be done no longer holds any truth. It CAN be done.... it just WASN'T.

Alls to say I see where you are going... maybe starting development so early lead to them slapping a new render engine on an already well under way product, but time will tell what the real thing looks like.

Very good point

Many gamers nowadays, or at least the vocal internet fighters, seem to suffer from the exaggeration syndrome. Their favorite game must, at all costs, 'destroy' the competitors.

^ This.

=D ppl need to stop been amaze by the Witcher lies.

Normaly on a ES or Fallout game the only NPC that will be repeat over is a guard, or a Soldier. Aka guards on skyrim or the soldier u random fight on NV.

Everything else is unique. Is part of a quest or is just part of a city, it have his bed and home, or in case of street ppl a place to sleep under something.

Witcher 3, At nite u can go inside some house and find 5 NPC standing there siting on the ground bc there is only 1 bed. On city only NPC related with quest have names everything else are call Citizen or Farmers.

Yeah the Witcher 3 have "huge" cities, while u cant enter building only related with Quest.

ES or Fallout game u can enter any building related or no to a quest.

So yeah i hate to compare the 2 game, when Witcher 3 is close to a GTA game.

That's true, but even when Skyrim was released it didn't have the best graphics of 2011, but people never complained, it was a great game and it was because of it's gameplay. Plus, if you felt the graphics were under par, you would just mod them to make them look better. It seems that the only people that are complaining are the new blood, or people who forgot that you can mod your game, and make it look like a brand new one for the next 7 yrs.

But yeah, I agree with you.

yeah lol when Skyrim came out, Crysis was the big new thing out there.

U know why is ppl so fussy about Witcher 3 bc all the overrated review that [censored] boring game got. I hate how review turn bad game into something that ppl think is perfection.

Nope, I'm the same way. I've never considered a game specifically due to it's graphics. Fallout 3 and NV are to this day my most played games that I picked up as recently as this morning. I bought an xbox1 for Fallout 4 and I barely play it yet because I don't really care about most of the "pretty" games. I'll never fully understand the graphics obsession some have. It doesn't actually play better IMO

I spent 40+ hours in W3. What part is misleading?

It was a fun game and very pretty on PC.

The looting mechanics were extremely basic oblivion had much more complex looting.
The vast majority of NPC's in towns were simply window dressing, they were very simplistic with no interaction. They simply repeated an action they had no sense of life to them.
The interiors of huts and most buildings were horrid textures.

All those things are true. I do not know how you could argue otherwise. Does it make W3 a bad game? No not at all.

But by the same token BGS has never had a single aspect of their game you could look an and say, that was great.

It has always been a case of the whole being much greater than a sum of its parts.

Graphics over gameplay, always. No offense but Reddit is just 4 c h a n but smarter. I don't doubt graphics are a big deal to folks over there, but when it comes to a Bethesda game they are a non-issue to most of the fans, as long as they look good. Yes, the graphics do look good anyone who says otherwise is spoiled on games that try to push graphical boundaries. So if you're looking for that type of game then you probably should keep looking.

This is an obsolete thread made over another obsolete thread. PC screenshots released today put us all to shame, including me.

Not another graphics crybaby.....these are the kinds of people that ruin gaming.....prioritizing looks over content....these are the kind of people that would have the gaming industry ruined by shiny crap games where you get 5 tiny shiny maps where all you do is shoot without any depth or discovery or content in them and then season passes that try to shove more trash maps down gamers' throats for $10+ a piece. Look at Battlefront as a perfect example of this....very shiny graphics but the game is worthless....no depth or content to it.

I honestly can't see the tiniest difference between the new screenshots and the old or the PC and consoles.....not that it's a bad thing nor am I complaining about the game at all. It looks stunning all around as far as I can tell but what you are saying seems like a gross exaggeration as if the new screenshots present any new difference to what we've seen before.

I've entered into interiors without any quests attached and there are interiors that you can't get in, and others are only available during a quest - and they remain opened afterwards.

Again you are the typical TW3 hater. Your dislike of the TW3 is always misleading although not necessarily complete lies.

I think it looks beautiful, with the small exception of facial expressions when talking, and I believe "lost pony" made a thread linking all the changes they have made graphically, and I'm impressed!

I am the farthest thing from a Beth overly devoted fan, but the comparison is flawed. GTA and TW provide great looking worlds, but are no where near as interactive, or contain near the insane amount of content, as Fallout or Elder Scrolls. That alone is probably the chief factor regarding graphical fidelity. There is simply too much stuff, and too much stuff to do, in Beth's worlds for them to spend, probably double the allotted resources on sharp graphics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah GTA and TW are awesome, but they fall way short in loot, interactivity, interfaces, integrated mini games, customization, and overall content. They're beautiful and neat looking, but not that compelling to me, and compared to Bethesda worlds, they are gameplay and interactively shallow. The numbers of hours I've spent in all of both CDP and RS games doesn't even come to 50% of the time I've spent in a single Beth game. You all may of course continue to pound the graphics drum, but it really won't make a lick of difference in sales, or really even impact the future direction of either franchise. People don't play FO or ES for graphics.

Actually, I'll just speak for myself and say I don't play Beth games for graphics.

Content and gameplay over graphics any day for me.

I don't doubt your honesty but I very much doubt that you can perceive the massive differences. Power armor screenshot is far beyond any other previous leak or official release. Pretty much a quantum leap.

To the OP.. You have great points and try for a civilized debate.

Unfortunately there are a lot of both children and people who lack social skills who will simply say you are "butthurt" or a "troll" instead of making a persuasive argument. The are the same people who use words like "racist" or "hater" when someone other than themselves forms a dissenting opinion.

There is no such thing as civility on the internet.

I doubt your honesty.....a "quantum leap" is very much a gross exaggeration by any standard even if your took a magnifying lens to go searching for extra detail and pixels previously not seen.

Seems like a lot of words to say " I don't like a game I have not played. "