I think they've messed up here,black marsh and elswyr have left the empire so how would make sense if you were argonian or khajiit that you fight for the empire?

Not sure, I want too find out how the Empire have changed before I chose side.

I believe in a unified world free of tribal-instinct-like states with childish little quarrels with each other.

That said, if the loyalists are particularly despicable I would not side with them. My stance on this is pending on the game's release, but if the Empire is noble I will defend the Empire. I see unified governance as an advancement, and petty little competing states as more primitive.


These races don't have collective consciences. I know there's something funky going on with the Argonians and the Hist but I think there's some lore that complicates that as well.

You're in effect saying that every member of a race should march in step with what the government of their home province does. It doesn't work that way.

Some can be corrupt and fight for personal gain instead of their own country and people. A mercenary could fight for the side who pays more.

Hmmm yes but would the Imperials accept there help?

Possibly if they were too heavily outnumbered otherwise, and they may want cannon fodder...(or some special assassination services for example)

It's been over a decade since I played much of it but TIE Fighter actually has you fly many sympathetic missions for The Empire of Star Wars. It shows why the Empire actually has some support, as it puts political quagmires aside and does what needs to be done to end civil wars and stop criminals, etc. Obviously in the end the Empire of Star Wars is quite corrupt though.

I'm hoping that Attrebus Mede leaves an honorable legacy lasting to the time of Skyrim. I know that would be a cliché ending to the second book but I'd like it.

all remain loyal to the coc, however, since that dude from the infernal city has taken control over the empire, we should build a new empire btw according to uesp.net has the empire fallen before the game begins...

Back in 1940's China, the nation was engaged in a civil war. On one side you have the nationalists, who believed in democracy. On the other you have the communists. Both sides were adamantly opposed to each other on basic ideologies alone. Yet when the Japanese invaded during World War II, both sides set apart their very conflicted differences in order to fight their mutual enemy side by side. Unfortunately, the civil war resumed immediately after the defeat of Japan.

That is the same situation I forsee happening in Skyrim. What we know is that the civil war will play a part in the story, but the most important piece, the dragons, cannot be ignored. Inevitably, the player must defeat Alduin and save the world. During this segment of climactic world-saving, I doubt the opposing resistance and imperial forces would continue their conflict. There is no point in fighting over Skyrim if there will soon be no Skyrim left to fight over.

When it comes to ending the story, it would have to climix with the defeat of Alduin. They would not allow the most exciting part of the story become swept underneath a postponed civil war. So I believe we can put aside any notion that this civil war will have a clear outcome. So, how will it end? Will it be based on player support throughout the story? Will the two sides compromise and end their conflict on middle ground? Will the actions of Alduin and the near-annihalation of the world make the problem just go away? Or will we never find out, and simply be left wandering a region with an uncertain future like Oblivion?

Who knows.

If I side with anyone, it'll be the Nords. Imperials and their society are boring as hell.

The story will probably have us unite all of Skyrim to band against the dragon It would make the most sense story wise and make it the easiest to mention in lore.

I believe in the preservation of the culture and religion of every single province, and that imposing Imperial culture and Imperial religion is just injustificable. The Empire has dug it's own tomb by acting like "the police force of Tamriel" and playing the good-guy cliché, while trying to introduce undernearth their own customs in every province for totally selfish and egocentric reasons. That was particularly strongly reflected in Morrowind, and I agree with the Dark Elves there.

No matter how good an unified Tamriel would be, or how good are some of the Imperial intentions. They've screwed it up altogether by their own fault by doing that. Maybe the next time they'll think twice before being so treacherous, IF there's a next time

If there is a side to choose, I will go with the resistance. Fighting against the Empire in http://www.elderscrolls.com/redguard/ was fun ^_^

EDIT: That said, I really don't expect us to be able to choose the side we are on. Both Morrowind and Oblivion only had one ending, and I expect Skyrim to be the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEPYlJLvcEM Cyrus gave was epic

To quote myself from a thread almost exactly the same, linking back to another thread that was also similiar :shrug:



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Actually, the ceasefire between the CCP and KMT was tentative at best and nonexistant at worst, since sporadic fighting between the two occurred well throughout the Japanese invasion and the creation of Manchuoko :grad:

I suspect something similiar might happen in Skyrim, where a possible truce to band against Alduin would be extremely fragile and simply ignored sometimes, with imperial patrols being raided by rebel ambushes in deep forests (with rebels denying responsibility later on) or small secessionist villages razed to the ground by pro-Imperials who later deny having taken a part. Besides, the whole "let's put our differences aside and fight our common enemy" story is such an overused cliché; I'm hoping for better writing than that :hehe:

I think there can be more than one ending. Dragon age series does multiple endings very well, by importing your decisions from a save into the next game. So we wouldn't see a warp of the west incident. All TES games would be somewhat molded by you after that, and I really like the idea of a world I directly influence.

I'd prefer something like that actually. I mean, you really can't expect everyone to put their grudges behind them. I think the struggle of maintaining a unified force should be a part of the story. Add some political intrigue to it, and some tough choices. Say, a Nord general of the Skyrim resistance murders a young Imperial noble. Do you cover the murder up to maintain a semblance of unity, or do you expose his crimes so he can face justice? Obviously the former choice is bad, because you're an accessory to murder, but while the latter sees administration of justice, Imperials will begin to distrust the resistance, and the resistance will hold a grudge for the death of their general. A lot of nice big picture stuff...

I want to help the Dunmer take over the continent, or the Bretons

This is dumb. I'll join whatever feels right at the time.

God look at yourselves, so caught up in digging for info and anolyzing every bit of a game.

If you keep this up, you won't enjoy Skyrim because you already freakin' played it in your head. This kind of thread is what I expect from an MMO forum, where power gaming and knowing every little detail is important, and the plot has had as many hours of work as the combined time used by the "random story generator 2000" and Google translate...

If i'm playing a good character I'll pick which ever side I perceive to have the moral high ground. (probably the resistance). But if I'm playing a merc like character, who is not necessarily evil but only cares about himself, I would be a double agent, playing the sides off each other to get what I want.

If given the choice I would side with the rebels on the first play through. Then play it the other way on another play through....if those choices are that clear cut.
Eventually I'll ignore the main quest altogether and just explore and do side quests.

As a pro-slavery society, Morrowind had it coming in my opinion. I don't hold any pro-slavery society in a positive light. They were absolutely free to have their own culture... but not when it's something as contemptible as slavery to me. The Empire's abolishing slavery is one of the reasons if the Mede dynasty is honorable I will support the Empire easily. It made me very happy hearing about that in Oblivion. I wasn't happy the tragedies happened in Morrowind in the time period between Oblivion and Skyrim, but really the powers that be were asking for that Argonian invasion. What goes around comes around.

Well, OK, slavery is the exception. Traditions who hurt someone else for no or selfish reasons are also non-tolerable IMO. But that alone doesn't justify to end all traditions and culture in a province.

And yes, I pretty much agree that they had it coming because of that. What would you expect? Any opressed group is meant to explote in some moment or another, given an specific and advantegous situation.

Skyrim as a Sovereign Nation would be more prosperous than Skyrim as a territory of the empire. As someone from California, if we only had to deal with the Californian debt, rather than that AND the national debt, I'd be more of a happy camper.

The Separatists are usually right, imo.

I will have to see how the story goes