Civil War, What Could Have Been? : V - Skyrim

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:11 am

No its not. There are SO MANY RL cases

This AINT real life. The High King's law is final. If he says they secede, they secede.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:24 am

Actually, if my previous character's exploit of cutting of Ulfric's head don't qualify him to rule in your book, KillaBee, then neither can Ulfric...

Lol thats true.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:02 pm

But WHAT could prevent the Jarls to rebel against him if they want? Hm ? What is, he is a god that just say "Dont rebel against me, I command it!" ... sounds silly.

The fact they are bound to follow his orders, as he is their king.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:47 pm

This AINT real life. The High King's law is final. If he says they secede, they secede.

So he achieved CHIM and manages the will of all their Jarls. I see.
Then I dont find how is it that Ulfric killed him.
Torygg should be able to tell him "Stop this my friend, Im your High King" :rolleyes:

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:34 pm

People are so ill with their butthurtfeelioma that they won't even consider that maybe, just maybe Ulfric actually did the right thing. Ugh.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:24 am

The fact they are bound to follow his orders, as he is their king.

Lol ask that to Ulfric. "Hi My Jarl, Im your king, what brings you here?"
"Die , my king"

Yes I see, they follow his orders and will blindly....

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:26 pm

So he achieved CHIM and manages the will of all their Jarls. I see.
Then I dont find how is it that Ulfric killed him.
Torygg should be able to tell him "Stop this my friend, Im your High King" :rolleyes:

Just stop, please. You have no idea how things work in Skyrim.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:16 am

So he achieved CHIM and manages the will of all their Jarls. I see.
Then I dont find how is it that Ulfric killed him.
Torygg should be able to tell him "Stop this my friend, Im your High King" :rolleyes:

No, Ulfric followed the law in challenging him to a duel. Follows the law. Like the jarls follow the law when they obey their high king.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:32 am

ENOUGH colonel, i'm going to put you on a leash unless you cease this!!!

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:22 pm

People are so ill with their butthurtfelioma that they won't even consider that maybe, just maybe Ulfric actually did the right thing. Ugh.

That is the whole point, isnt it ?
Maybe... just MAYBE Ulfric did the right thing.
But causing a civil war while the Dominion armies are at the gates just waiting for the time to descend over you? That is plainly stupid.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:30 am

That is the whole point, isnt it ?
Maybe... just MAYBE Ulfric did the right thing.
But causing a civil war while the Dominion armies are at the gates just waiting for the time to descend over you? That is plainly stupid.

And inviting them into your lands to spy isn't?

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:06 am

I'm done. My head hurts.

And so you mean to say that Torygg never intended to actually do anything, not even to risk getting a sternly worded letter from Mede let alone declare Skyrim's indpendence. Fine. That's what Sybille also says, and it's the same conclusion Ulfric came to, which is why Torygg had to be forced to either step down or be taken down.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:03 am

Just stop, please. You have no idea how things work in Skyrim.

I forget you actually live there and know how it really works, sorry . :rolleyes:

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:26 pm

That is the whole point, isnt it ?
Maybe... just MAYBE Ulfric did the right thing.
But causing a civil war while the Dominion armies are at the gates just waiting for the time to descend over you? That is plainly stupid.

And how are they going to invade? Through the enemy province of Hammerfell? Or how about through Cyrodiil, or maye through the waters where there is no safe port?

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:07 pm

I forget you actually live there and know how it really works, sorry . :rolleyes:

It's called reading a book and studying the lore.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:23 am

And inviting them into your lands to spy isn't?

Ugh this was stated so many times...
The bloody concordat was signed because the empire had no choice.
Or did the empire just want to let them pass inn because they like it? Come on, dont be silly.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:56 pm

That is the whole point, isnt it ?
Maybe... just MAYBE Ulfric did the right thing.
But causing a civil war while the Dominion armies are at the gates just waiting for the time to descend over you? That is plainly stupid.

It depends how you look at it. A civil war to shed an empire weighing your country down might be a good idea if you believe waiting is a bad idea.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:57 pm

ENOUGH colonel, i'm going to put you on a leash unless you cease this!!!

I've already told you. You our powerless to stop his need to post here.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:12 pm

Ugh this was stated so many times...
The bloody concordat was signed because the empire had no choice.
Or did the empire just want to let them pass inn because they like it? Come on, dont be silly.

Last time I checked, Hammerfell got a treaty too, and they dont have to give up any gods. They had the same ultimatum and they chose to fight. You tell me who got the better deal?

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:07 pm

Ugh this was stated so many times...
The bloody concordat was signed because the empire had no choice.
Or did the empire just want to let them pass inn because they like it? Come on, dont be silly.

Thy could have chosen to not take such obviously Thalmor inclined demands, especially since they were equally defeated, and had just wiped out the Thalmor army in the Imperial City.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:28 pm

It's called reading a book and studying the lore.

My mistake, I play the game and study RL history. But I played enough to see what is going on in there. Several hundreds of hours. And I see the state of things.
I walked all the land. Not wanting to choose sides.
But with the time I feel the danger. The danger that guy represent for all. I went to his palace and listened to him. I was horrorized. I listened to his general... then I runned out directly to Solitude. That guy had to be stopped. His head must lie on a pick.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:49 pm

I've already told you. You our powerless to stop his need to post here.

I fear you may be right.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:24 pm

Last time I checked, Hammerfell got a treaty too, and they dont have to give up any gods. They had the same ultimatum and they chose to fight. You tell me who got the better deal?

Sadly, I was not sitted with the signer of neither treatys to know the exact situation of each.
Perhaps Hammerfell was in a better possition to negotiate and the Empire was in a bad shape... a Pirric "victory" never is good.

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:23 pm

Thy could have chosen to not take such obviously Thalmor inclined demands, especially since they were equally defeated, and had just wiped out the Thalmor army in the Imperial City.

What's funny about that is the Great War book says theygot info from the thalmor they killed in the imperial city and they knew they wiped out the majority of their force. So they knew at the time that they were equally as damaged. So why the hell did they give into the demands knowing that?

» Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:25 pm

My mistake, I play the game and study RL history. But I played enough to see what is going on in there. Several hundreds of hours. And I see the state of things.
I walked all the land. Not wanting to choose sides.
But with the time I feel the danger. The danger that guy represent for all. I went to his palace and listened to him. I was horrorized. I listened to his general... then I runned out directly to Solitude. That guy had to be stopped. His head must lie on a pick.

I just don't see that at all. What did he say that turned you off so badly? Cause nothing he said registered like that.