Basically, what do you think would happen when the Midwestern Brotherhood expands far enough west to encounter the Western Brotherhood and their little conflict with the NCR?

i dont think this has anything to do with FONV except for the brotherhood of steel being in it........

This topic should be in the Fallout series discussion forum. I know it's not as active as the New Vegas board, but this doesn't have anything to do with New Vegas.

Anyways though, I think that it'll turn into a war of highly equipped Western BoS with small numbers versus a large force of under-equipped Midwestern BoS. It could definitely be an interesting [sub]plot of the next [spin-off] Fallout game. Perhaps the west expands out to http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Boulder and the midwestern BoS meets them there. It could turn real interesting...

Yeah, in hindsight, y'all are probably right about the wrong forum thing.

Yea why is the fallout general discussion board so quiet? The elder scrolls series discussion is alive and thriving and much more active. Pretty weird?

because bethesda is known for the elder scrolls..... if the fifth uses the same engine i would be very disappointed..... ohhhhh and i would rather the game to be the same size as fallout 3's world...... and i would like the environments to have different feels.... ohhh and a better story...

Because we TES fans are still awaiting information on the next Elder Scrolls game, and so are speculating what TES V will bring us.

Bethesda's already announced the next Fallout game, which is the one this board is centered around, Fallout New Vegas. Everyone's excited for what will be in New Vegas and so we're centered on that.

After New Vegas is released (probably a few months, possibly a year after release) the Fallout series board will be a lot more popular because of hopes of what will be in Fallout 4.

Back on topic. Its a good question, however you've missed a possible option. Both groups recognise their differences and that their sphere of influence is in very different areas and now have very different roles. They do not recombine, but continue to have a dialogue, possibly sharing knowledge and maybe working together on a few projects.

The WBOS isn't really in a position to wage a long term conflict on its own. They don't have any farmers (as they explained in FO1, folks that want to farm leave and go elsewhere), they have to trade for their food. They might be isolationist, but they depend on their neighbours (Hub, etc) for their day to day survival. (I think this is one of the reasons why I don't like Van Buren's plot, the BOS aren't stupid enough to poop where they eat - they may be outside the NCR, but they need them). The WBOS is a small, if well armed and trained force.

The MWBOS on the other hand is effectively running a mini-government, they have folks growing them lots of food, a vehicle corps to move it around, and plenty of would-be recruits and potentially a robot army.

I think the more likely conflict will be between the NCR and the MWBOS. Both have territorial ambitions, both have the ability to wage long-term crusade. The question there is though, where does the WBOS loyalties lie in such a conflict? Would they risk angering the NCR in order to help their brothers?

Would the Western BoS even bother? The Midwestern BoS is largely made up of recruited locals, many of which have attained high placed positions, after all.

they've recently said its not TES or FO.... they said its a new series..... but the bad thing was that they said they upgraded the bad engine they are using...... :sadvaultboy:

i wish they would use id. tech 5 or id. tech 4

Well the Western BoS essentially exiled them for disagreeing with the Wests views and philosiphies, the Midwest knows this so I think the Western BoS and Midwestern BoS would come to blows, especially since the Midwestern BoS is basically the NCR under a Brotherhood banner.

I have wondered this since I first finished Tactics all those years ago. I am happy that FO3 recognizes Midwestern BoS. I have made some topics about his.

I voted for Western BoS and MW BoS going to war but it would be a very short war. Winner would be MW BoS, given their superior numbers, human and Robot as well as mutant. Western BoS might not be able to handle the idea of having to let in new blood and hate the idea of letting in mutants. Remember the MWB were those that wanted new blood, the other elders seeing trouble sent them east.

I voted they would go to war with NCR. NCR and MWB are a like "Join or die." I can't see NCR just letting them use the Hoover Dam and MWB will not just take an alliance unless they get to make the terms.

The ending I like the most to FO Tactics is the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58. I like this ending more because, the MWB still gets to control the robots but ride themselves of the mutants. I hate the idea of humans and mutants getting along. To touchy feely for me. I like the idea they just used the mutants. It can be a canon ending because you can be super good and still have it.

I don't get that impression with either one. The NCR is big on unification but through politics and trade; and the MWBS does so through earning the trust of tribals, allying with more civilized communities, and offering protection to all who want it in exchance for resources. They predicted a possible loss of Brahmin Wood if the chief died but they never said they would forcefully annex them or anything if that happened.

I see the WBS and MWBS going to war with each other and the MWBS allying with the NCR since their goals are pretty much the same.

The MWBOS is nothing like the NCR - The NCR is (at least on paper) a Democracy and is trying to spread "Freedom" and old-school civilisation, The MWBOS is a military Junta focused on Technology at all costs.


Two empires with a territorial motivation never have the same goal - because for one to succeed, the other must fail (by definition).

You're thinking to Black and White, Good and Evil. NCR are nice on the outside. They are all for talk but don't shy away from using spies and back door deals. They will talk but once they get a "NO!" they will not simply walk away. They will send in the troops.

MWB are pretty much the same. They did not attack every town that said no to them, because they did not have the time. Once all the war stops they are free to get their way on their terms and I don't see them understanding No means no. They will move in and take what they want. Also MWB have work camps "Gulags." They work people to death. They us POWs to transport radioactive cargo.

To me they are the same, head strong and Goal driven and will not take no for an answer.

MW BoS and Western BoS shouldn't go into war UNLESS their ideas get in the way of the other's goal. Otherwise, they would be neutral to each other.

The Outcasts and the Eastern BoS weren't at war. The Outcasts just left to pursue their original goal.

Just because you're not with them doesn't mean you're against them.

The anology to a military junta is apt. I would go one step further and say that the MWB are more akin to the Spartans. The North American continent is akin to the Ancient Greece in that there are many small City States divided by a sea...in the case of the Fallout Universe this sea is the Wasteland. The conflict between either the BOS and the NCR should come as no surpise, just as Sparta destroyed the Athenians shortly after they finished the Parthenon. The difference that will fuel the confilct is philosphical, democracy versus a monarchy. Of course, if the NCR is smart...which they are, they will know this and do what wealthy republics do best...buy their way out of conflict. The way I see it there are three variables that can affect the level of conflict between the MWB and the NCR: 1. Necessity- the BOS wasn't very happy to take on Mutants, Ghouls, or Deathclaws into their ranks until the Robot army made it necessary. A similar threat from a yet unnamed foe could unify the continent into a coalition. 2. Logistics - It's one thing to fight a land war across the plains of the midwest but an entirely different one to coordinate military action in foreign territory across the Rocky Mountains. 3. The abilities of one lone individual sent out by their vault to find some shoddily made piece of equipment that is needed to save everyone... or become the greatest tyrant in history.