The turtles didn't. http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/shredder1.jpg did. :lmao:

Ah-hah, that's right! I forgot, my bad.

Still though, my point with the daedric gauntlets still stands. :ahhh:

I can't argue about the Daedric gauntlets, because they should do more hand to hand damage. Just look at those vile things. :tongue:

Exactly! They look like they should hurt. Now, I'm no programer/modder, but would it be that hard to give an item both defencive and offencive increases? :unsure: I mean, I don't forsee any problems that it would bring. I may be blinded by the fact that I really want to see them deal some extra damage, but still. :cookie: Give us unarmed fighters a cookie or something at least.

I like cookies



oh yeah i just thought of a finishing move for claws

impale the poor npc in the head with both claws and rip his head open

I don't want claws unless it is for Khajit only. Not a real weapon.

Well if not claws, hand to hand needs something else. It needs a serious overhaul, and some weapons would definitly be a start.

like knuckle dusters or maybe a hidden blade (AC Reference)

Daggerfall had claws too..I loved seeing my claws raking at people when i was a werepig.. (sorry, wereboar <_< )

YES!.....Khajiit's and argonians should have them anyway.
We should also have weapons for hand to hand,would work well for a monk type,even assassin's with poison etc.
Also they said that combat is more life-like now,more intense close quarters,with staggering,grabbing,jostling etc.
Do you think that is an indication that hand to hand still remains?
I believe hand to hand will be in the game,and be much better.

Yes claws for vampires, werwolf's and beast races really good, since in oblivion beast races have to much human features, thats really disappointed me.

Again... like spears and crossbows... claws would require additional anim groups and coding to 'slash' rather than 'punch' during hand-to-hand. In addition claws would clip gauntlets so think of the implications of what you ask for vs. the complexity and popularity of the request.

Yes and it would be very realistic, with armoured gloves you can punch very hard. However it’s still not a smart way to fight unless you fight pest or want to knock down somebody so you don’t have to kill them, against some fool in a bar you would have to hold your punch to not kill him. Against somebody with armor, shield and an axe it’s not a good idea and you will lose an open fight if the opponent is not an novice and you are very good.

Now hold a shortsword in one hand and pull the shield of the opponent so you got an opening sound like a far better way to use a open hand. Main benefit of unarmed combat at a place where everybody is armed is that they don’t see you as dangerous and you get a free critical and can rotate their helmet with the head inside before they draw their sword. However this only works it the opponent sees you as friendly or neutral and harmless. This might not work with a Khajiit at all because a cute Khajiit who smiles look as harmless as a mountain lion.

I am thinking of the implications. I'm not asking for this because it would be cool or popular. I'm askin for it because hitting something with daedric should hurt a hell of a lot more than just a bare fist. Why not have more weapon types? Of course they'll need more animations. What gives a sword the right to have animations and a claw to not? Its up to the developers to determin what they put their time into. Its not like what we're asking for would be impossible. We're asking for equal treatment here. Every other combat style has a multitude of weapons, why can't an equal amount of time be spent on hand to hand?

Beast Races with Claws? Definitely.
Claws as a hand-to-hand style weapon? Definitely.

No. Its not impossible and if the CE permits custom anims on a per item basis (ex: allows new weapon classes) PC users may get these kinds of things (spears, crossbows, claws, etc.). Loth DeBonneville made both finger/toe claws and I made working crossbow models as well as spears and wands for OB but without custom anims they are cumbersome to implement correctly. This is really what the community should be lobbying for: less hardcoding.

As far as guessing about hand-to-hand in Skyrim I will venture we'll see something similar to FO3 at most.

Are you trying to invoke the wrath of the X-Men?

Semi related. I think there should be some kind of inherent Hand-to-hand bonus for using heavier Gauntlets. I mean not just tacking on a +enchantment but just have a general passive bonus.

But, if they DID add a Claw weapon and it had its own animation... well thatd be cool. That slashing animation could also be used for Beast races and Vampires and Werewolves so it would be more than just one weapon type.

If they have werewolves there will be claws. It has not been announced yet if there will be tho.

^^ hopefully they will

Yeah beast races should have claws and it would increase their hand-to-hand damage. Bethesda said races were more unique now and that's a good way to make beast races more unique right?

Also, a punch from a khajit with razor sharp claws should deal more damage than a punch from a delicate atlmer's hand.