I'm I the only who just doesn't like having a physical copy of the game?

Let's say you have 26.4k connection and you can practically reach this speed.
Then let's say you have to download a 10MB patch, you need 6 minutes, when we get a little bit more realistic let's say 12 minutes.
(The biggest patch for a TES game was about 5MB until now.)
There may be many connection breakdowns, but Steam has a good download manager, it can manage it. (I had many...MANY connection breakdowns 3 or 4 years ago).
Then you need let's say half an hour to activate the game and download the patches.
If the patches are bigger then you need one or two hours, but thats reasonable for the first start. After that you could enter offline mode.

Sounds like my connection 10 years ago but I think it works. I think even on a 26.4k connection it's playable.
Those who have this problems, what do you mean?

:rofl:

I think you need to do a little more research before posting. It would not take 6 minutes to download a 10MB file on a 26.4k connection.




Buy an empty dvd and create a full backup of your game.

And most of those 50% live in third world countries were people are lucky to have electricity or food. The last thing on there mind is buying video games. Your example is not very good. You live in America, were just about everyone has internet. Game developers aren't going to have there game not require internet just because 1% of the market doesn't have internet access.

I can put it this way... on my shelf I can see Fallout 3 in a nice case, Broken Steel and Point Lookout in a nice case, The Pitt and Operation: Anchorage in a nice case. What I can't see is the ripped copy of Mothership Zeta on a DVD, ripped from the GOTY I bought and sold on. It's on there along with all the FO3 patches, promo vids, wallpapers, sound bites - all inside the Fallout 3 case...

... If MZ had been available on hard copy with a nice cover and case, I'd have paid the same price I paid for the two packs of the other DLC. My shelves are teeming with games. I like physical copies. :yes: Dunno how you can't.

Personally I have found the web browser extremely useful. There are a number of times where I have been stuck in a single player game and I looked up a walkthrough. My computer is fairly old and thus isn't pleased when I minimize a game most of the time. I also like all of the other features as well.

Personally I don't like hard copies. I got sick of rebuying games because they got scratched or I lost the CD or the CD key, and I hate looking up patches. That's why I switched to direct download in the first place.

I can understand that. I don't scratch or otherwise damage my property, though. lol Discs go from the case to the drive draw, and from the drive draw to the case. Patches and updates can sometimes have dodgy results depending on your system setup and hardware, that the devs only discover once the patch is in circulation and people are complaining. I'd rather patch games up myself than have a service fracking up my Chi by turning my game to mush or rendering my saves unusable.

Also... I don't like any service that stuffs ads in my face, or tries to tell me about other services I'm not gonna fracking use, as soon as I connect. If Beth/Zenimax wanted me to activate a game of theirs by registering directly with them, and giving up some details, fine. If it means I don't have to have digital distribution software on my system, that I'm never gonna use - especially when I don-t require matchmaking services, and I don't wanna frickin' chat with mates while I'm gaming on a SINGLE PLAYER game - great. Bring it on. All I know is GFWL and Steam both have some impact on a consumers decision to purchase games. If I were a publisher or dev I'd just make it frickin' optional to avoid that hassle. The days of third-party software you could say no to... like Gamespy... were better. IMO ^_^

Ahhm...of course I meant a 10 Mbit patch
I guess I forgot to multiply by 8

Ok, lets take 50 minutes for 10MB.
That would make 25 minutes for a standard TES patch

So, now I'm right, I'm sorry for that ^^.

I respectfully disagree. Gamespy was a [censored] nightmare, I hate that thing. Just last month I had to remove it using registry edits and all sorts of crude tricks because that's the only way to completely remove it. I also have no idea how it got on my system since I've never agreed to install it.

Gamespy is no better than most spyware these days.

Yes, I am. I'm sorry if you find that so damn hard to believe, and I'm sorry you feel the need to be rude/snide to someone you don't know whatsoever. Also, I can't get Alla to load anymore, or Blizzard. I haven't tried Bioware because I stopped playing DA and I don't feel the need to go there. So right now, I only browse the Bethesda Softworks forums. Seriously, get over your "I know-it-all" attitude. Not sure what your issue is, but if you want, you can fly over to the states and come visit me where I live, you can examine my internet connection to your hearts content. Why the hell would I feel the need to lie on an internet forum for?

Also remember that a Megabit is not the same as a Megabyte. There is a big difference.


;)

Yes I have a know-it-all attitude, but I also research the subject before I say anything about it. Also the fact is that most people lie on the internet, I'm not saying that you are lying, but I find it very hard to believe that anyone could use modern gaming forums and websites on your connection.

I totally agree, I hate Gamespy.

Hmm, when I try to download songs from I-tunes, a normal song takes me approximately 30-45 minutes. I think the size is generally between 5-7 megabytes. Extrapolate from that what you will.

My point was with Gamespy Arcade and the like, you didn't HAVE to install it. You could say no to it during the installation of the game, and never hear about it again.

If you go to any PC gaming-zine online, PC Gamer, CVG etc. You'll see players saying they're not getting game X because it ships with GFWL, and others complaining about hassle they've had with Steam, and Steam Cloud. Both affect the decisions of gamers to purchase games, I just can't see why any dev/publisher would bother with either.

Make them both available, make them both optional, and then who can complain about it, or even care to give it the kind of attention its getting? If you don't like it, don't install it, if you do, do... no negatives when there's a choice. Ship more units by removing a third-party element that attracts or repels the gamers. Let the third-parties fight it out, while the publishers and devs just concentrate on making and selling games. ^_^

Thats why I said I forgot to multiply by 8 .

Of course I know the difference between Byte and Bit, I just..well, I have absolutely no idea why I made this mistake. Maybe thats the alcohol :celebration: .
I was sitting here calculating it three times, and everytime I was thinking: "Is this connection really so fast? ...mhmm..maybe I remember my 26.4k time wrong" .

Whatever...let's..just forget that ^^

Then a few days later you take a look at the processes tab in the task manager and you see aphex.exe... what? how the hell did it get there? :cold:

Well congratulations on being smarter then the average person who doesn't do research, but I assure you I do browse modern forums on a 26.4k dial-up connection. I use New Frontiers Internet Services as my ISP. They have both dial-up and high-speed dial-up, unfortunately their high-speed dial-up does not reach me due to my current location. If you want, feel free to look them up. I also manage, as I've mentioned, to download the occasional song from I-tunes, and I even manage to download the occasional patch for games(as long as it's not over 100 megabytes). I'm not saying it's not interminably slow, because it is, it can take upwards of 2 minutes for a page to load at times. Thankfully I don't delete cookies very often, so right now it doesn't take more then a minute for pages to load here on gamesas forums. I'll admit I have much more trouble with Google and wikipedia, which can both take upwards of 5 minutes before they load whatever I'm trying to look for.

Seriously though, I don't appreciate the rudeness you displayed before. Just because you look things up doesn't make you all-knowing.

Edit: Also, ya know, I understand doubting peoples stories on the internet. You're right, lots of people do lie. About their job, about their income, about where they live, their age, hell, even if they are male or female. But why in the WORLD would I(or anybody for that matter) lie about having dial-up as their internet service? I mean, that's like owning a ferrari and claiming you drive a pinto. I mean, it would make MORE sense for me to lie and claim that I live near a college campus, or in Japan, and have a 1Gigabyte connection speed.

I had to Google the exe and came across a bunch of references but uh, yeah, never had that problem myself, and if I did, I was totally unaware. lol So it didn't rock or otherwise shatter my tiny world. Point still stands, GSA was optional, you could say no, choice is a good thing. IMO Competing for matchmaking and who's got the shiniest or most consolised UI, waving their digital distribution tackles at one another backed up by an army of very loyal fans, personally as a gamer, I really couldn't give a flying turd about these services. I want the games, not the poo (or the AWESOMEST 3RD PARTY THANG EV0R) that comes with them. lol

Gimme a choice, is all I ask. Not too much, is it? I'm still buying your game, Mr Publisher Dude. I'll register it with you, no need for a third-party or more software than the game itself. Come on, big guy, whaddya say? Do me a favour. :tops:

I am sorry if I offended you, but I am not alone to blame here. You need to stop getting so emotional over things people say on an internet forum, no one is attacking you personally. I wrote a sarcastic reply to your post because I find it hard to believe that people can actually browse gaming forums on the connection you mentioned.

I'm not saying that I'm always right, actually I'm wrong most of the time, that's how we learn things. My approach is to try to run before I can walk, sometimes it works out, sometimes I get a concussion. But every single time I walk away with more knowledge than before.

I have full right to question everything I hear and see, it's up to you to either prove me wrong or admit that I'm right. If you can't handle people questioning you then you're never going to get very far. Getting angry is not going to help your cause in any way.

Actually no, some users (myself included) are forced to be connected to the internet when you log in, even if you click 'Offline Mode'.

How did you do try resolve this? Clientregistry.blob deleted, or even going real hardcoe, deleting everything except the .exe and the steamapps folder? ^_^

I just hate being accused of lying. I've always been that way, my entire life. It's one of my two pet peeves, the other being people trashing on Vietnam War veterans(my dad served two tours over there). Also, you didn't "Question me", you immediately went to outright sarcasm, and THEN I got pissed off, not the other way around. If you had merely voiced your opinion/question of my internet connection, I'd have been fine. But the snide/sarcastic remark at the end of your second post just triggered my "I'm pissed now" button. Also, again, as I edited into my previous post, I can understand lying about my age, my income, my job, where I live, my marital status, the car I drive, even if I'm male or female, but lying about an internet connection? And not even saying I have a super fast one, but a super slow one? That's stretching the "I'm going to question everything" mentality to it's limits, don't you think? I mean, it's great to question and not believe everything you're told, but there are times where it's probably ok.

Edit: Also, just noticed one other thing you said, how it's up to me to prove you wrong or right, how in the world am I supposed to do that, short of paying for a full round-trip airfare ticket from Iceland to Baltimore, then driving up there to pick you up, driving you back here to my house(trailer), and letting you browse with my internet yourself. I mean, it's really one of those things that can't be proven either way.

pff no, people might think that I still have some traces of my sanity left in me. never <_<

@Starwulf

as a fellow Dial-upper (56K) I know it can be rough when others don't understand how anyone can live without Broadband in this day & age much less not have a real option for faster speeds.