The Coc will DEFINITELY have a daedric quest in TES: V. They will just make him have the same voice actor as seogorath. What i'm looking forward to is the artifacts they make for Jyglyag ( i no tha's speled wrong) as he is now existent, and can answer summons.

Or one could watch The Santa Clause.

What about sheogorath saying he should rebuild his realm after every greymarch? Because the realm is the prince, it means that sheo has to be 'healed' of order. Maybe it means that the CoC loses all order( loses his mind) and becomes sheogorath. One question: does the story of arden- sul happen at the time of a previous greymarch?

damn you & the Christmas sleigh you rode in on...
Yes same concept, TY but seriously....read tha book, MUCH better.

What does CoC stand for? Are people REALLY that lazy to spell it out for us noob lore buffs like myself? lol

Champion of Cyrodiil; Oblivion's main character.

I really don't see how the CoC can possibly be interacted with, even as a daedric shrine quest, i myself think that when you talk to the avatar of the daedric prince at their shrine, you are really talking to the sphere, imagine how many people would be trying to summon Azura at one point, she has a lot of followers so this could be 10 every minute, i believe that the voice that speaks to you is the voice of the sphere, not the physical manifestation of the prince. That way the voice never changes (limited by game mechanics of course) so personality would be the same and any other non-game mechanic issues would be the same.

Ohhh, ok, NOW it makes sense. Thanks

My older post was wrong, let me explain with my new understanding of the topic.
Jygglyag doesn't have a realm: he goes around trying to bring order to the other Daedric prince's realms. eventually they all got sick and tired of this and cursed him to live as Seogorath, the manifestation of everything he hated. to be even more cruel, Jygglyag gets to be himself again at the end of every era, ben on conquest of other Daedric realms. however, he is forced by the curse to take over his own realm first, at which point the curse turns him back into Sheogorath. after this happens twice, the Coc comes along. the identity of madness takes over the Coc, and he IS madnes, and maddness is him. Daedric princes are the physical manifestation what they represent. for example, Mehrunes Dagon IS destruction, so all destruction can be associated with him. The realm stays the same, but parts of it (the order obelisk things that make up 1/3 of the mass of the isles) broke off and became Jygglyag. The remaining part joined with the Coc, and they mixed and became one.

Sorry if that is hard to grasp

I still like the theory that the CoC simply went insane once he got into the SI; and he's curled up somewhere thinking he's Sheogorath and that the SI storyline took place.

Here's a little thing I wrote to better clarify:

The Champion of Cyrodiil lays curled up in a ball in the corner. He is rambling on to himself "I am Sheogorath, I am Sheogorath." Sheogorath looks over at the Champion of Cyrodiil and laughs.

Considering you are in the MADGOD's realm, it's a very good possibility. I like it!

Even though it is entirely plausible, can you imagine the amount of flaming that would happen on the forums because of this over-simplified means to get rid of the CoC? :flamethrower:

I remember discussing this a while back, tho that was about the arden sul. Who i believe is the avatar of sheogorath. So basically the CoC goes mad and is now posessed by sheo.

Thats the conclusion we came to anyway. I find the shadow over this topic allows people to roleplay easier, because they can make up what happened.

Sheo laughing at the CoC? BS, I like it. What would be even more fun if the CoC was laughing at a curled up insane CoC .I mean, really, you did go into the realm of the god of insanity. Do people really believe they're the only sane people in a completely insane world?

After SI, if the CoC is not Sheogorath, then there is no Sheogorath at all - only Jyggalag. Intentionally failing at a proximate goal to achieve a distal goal seems to be Lyg's modus operandi.

What? Sorry i didn't get that :shrug: they are laughing at themselves?

It doesn't have to make sense, it's insanity! Madness! Muahahahahahahaha!

Ohhhhhhhhhh...in that case fribble, just fribble.

This. Madness and mantling aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, given the case at hand, they're pretty mutually inclusive.

You know, while in the shower I began to think about what I said earlier, about how the CoC is standing over the CoC, laughing at his madness. Then it hit me. This could actually be extremely plausible, think about it for a second.

Before we enter the SI, we see that dark elf, gripping his head, looking as though his head was literally about to pop, and kept screaming "nothing is right." Well, how is it that when we enter SI, nothing really look all that off, other than some of the people there. So then I thought, "Well, this place doesn't seem that bad. It's practically Morrowind." Then I began to think about the two halves of SI. Then I began to notice, despite being obvious, that there is a theme with SI; everything is two sides of the same coin. If that's the case and a theme of SI, I began to wonder if there's a chance the CoC split in two. You have the CoC the mortal, and CoC the god. Both are the same, yet different. One is Sheogorath, and the other thinks (s)he is Sheogorath. You mantled Sheogorath, and became Sheogorath. Because of that, you have now always been Sheogorath. If that's the case, maybe SI is not just a reflection of Sheogorath, but is actually you all along. You have always been Sheogorath, even though you have also been mortal all along. And in a realm that is not supposed to make sense, s about complete and utter insanity, improbability, madness, irrationality, illogical events and practices, and so on, it can be seen as being very likely that what I have been saying is completely true.

You are mortal. You are Sheogorath. You are both completely different. You are both completely the same.

Comments, questions, cheese for everyone? Or am I under the sway of Sheogorath at this moment?

Reminiscent of Vehk the Mortal using the Heart to allow for Vehk the God, who, after the heart-tampering, had always existed.

And you caught me. Except there are now 2 physical CoCs, instead of 1 physical Vivec. But, at least my explanation fulfills both theories: Both CoCs are bat [censored] crazy, but one is now Sheogorath (god), thus fulfilling SI at face value, and the other is mortal (...not god?) fulfilling the "the CoC actually is curled up in a corner repeating 'I am Sheogorath.'"

Not trying to compromise, but rather add a cooler third view of what really happened in SI.

Hellmouth...That theory is [censored] awesome!

Well, I dunno about the physical split. Assuming that the defeat of Jyggalag is the final step in the CoC mantling Sheogorath, anologous to the use of the heart (and the cue for the Dragon Break / Apotheosis that would allow for the CoC to have been Sheogorath all along), then if a physical split were to occur, that would be the time for it. Of course, if that assumption is wrong and the event that would trigger the Apotheosis occurs later in the timeline (and is therefore unknown and outside of official canon description), then the theory still is possible.

And http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/sebookravingsoffenroy.shtml potentially comes to mind when discussing such duality. But that begs a question: What would happen to CoC the God if CoC the mortal were to die? If CoC the God is in fact a God, can CoC the mortal actually be mortal?

...fish?