Collective Transliteration of Astonomy to Et'Ada

Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:39 pm

Lately I've been thinking of Oblivion's dwemer orrery's depiction of the dwemer letters upon the designated birthsign.
I believe this is meant to hint upon the suspected Et'Ada the dwemeri studied within the present patterns of the Magna Ge's trailings.
If this means that some Et'Ada essence is trying to escape the Mundus or Oblivion for the Aetherius or http://images.uesp.net/7/73/Rg_dwemerstarmap.jpg, I'm not sure.

However mad this sounds, I believe there is some sense in it. I think the dwemer were trying to identify the essence that the spirit embodied.
The letter is left as a footnote to a specific Et'Ada. This Et'Ada name which the dwemeri refer to could be from any religion on Tamriel.
In attempt to conceptualise to their correct findings, I'd believe the dwemer would look across the continent for the right identity to each Et'Ada.

The Et'Ada's name is then translated to dwemeris. Shortened down to a single letter after that, for simplification and convenience's sake.
In this mind I constructed a alphabetical, yet symbolic supposed order to the astronomy translated into Et'Ada concepts, using expanded localised sourcing.

Astonomy to Et'Ada:

The Thief - A - Akatosh / Alduin
The Ritual - B - Boethiah
The Lover - D - Dibella
The Lord - E - Ebonarm
The Mage - F - Frandar Hunding / HoonDing
The Shadow - G - The Greedy Man
The Steed - H -Hermaeus-Mora
The Apprentice - I - Ius
The Warrior - K - Kyne
The Lady - N - Namira / Nerevarine / Nocturnal
The Atronach - R - Ruptga

Unknowable letter meaning:

The Tower - ? - Sai / Nocturnal / Y'ffre / Trinimac?

Not shown:

The Serpent - ? - Sheogorath

Possible reason: The depiction of Sheogorath, as well as The Serpent's embodiment being described both as unknowable.
They do not appear on the orrery I think for Sheogorath is described as a 'Sithis (void) shaped hole', you'd never actually see the Et'Ada.

If none of this makes any sense to you, I'll try to simplify it the idea: the dwemer found a number of ethereal bodies, Aedra, Daedra, near the stars.
They couldn't describe their qualities in their language, dwemeris, but discovered other races could. Building numerous fortresses outside
their usual locale, they discovered these spiritual concepts from other languages, races or beliefs. And used them to collectively confine their findings.

Now this may sound mad, like I've said before. It could even be too extensive for the dwemeri, which I have considered. It may even be that some
crack pot has made a better idea that my own speculation on their use of dwemeri alphabet in the orrery. However, I'd still like some positive feedback.

I imagine there is some crazy flaw in my idea and some Captain Obvious is going to come to point out. So I shall be waiting!
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:53 am

It's plausible, but some of those pairings are really weird. I don't think mage=hoonding for example. I want to see what some of the other lore buffs have to say.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:14 pm

Problem: The gods you've used don't match up to the birthsigns very well. Akatosh as the Thief? Also, to shoehorn the gods into each of these roles, you've pretty much grabbed gods from every single Tamrielic religion. It's not consistent.

Plus, the stars are Magna-Ge (well, holes in spacetime caused by MG, but same diff). So it stands to reason that the constellations are groups of specific MG, and not Aedra and Daedra.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:04 am

Problem: The gods you've used don't match up to the birthsigns very well. Akatosh as the Thief?

Akatosh as The Thief goes by behaviour.

The Thief is the last Guardian Constellation, and her Season is the darkest month of Evening Star. Her Charges are the Lover, the Shadow, and the Tower. Those born under the sign of the Thief are not typically thieves, though they take risks more often and only rarely come to harm. They will run out of luck eventually, however, and rarely live as long as those born under other signs.

Akatosh takes risks. The Oblivion Crisis and the summoning of his avatar. Alduin, Satakal, Akatosh's shed aspect going up against Shor, Talos, Dovahkiin.
And where other gods stay in some form in each kalpa, The Aka would appear to change dramatically with the convention's change, so he would not live long.

Also, to shoehorn the gods into each of these roles, you've pretty much grabbed gods from every single Tamrielic religion. It's not consistent.

Consistency does not matter with the theory I proposed. Since the dwemer were about in all of the different tamriellic provinces, as per lore,
they would no matter have the materials (sources) to which they can find what they were looking for: words or thoughts that were alien to them.

These sources could be from Hammerfell, Skyrim, Cyrodiil etc. Allowing for each pantheon et'ada to be observed, picked and used for naming purposes.

Plus, the stars are Magna-Ge (well, holes in spacetime caused by MG, but same diff). So it stands to reason that the constellations are groups of specific MG, and not Aedra and Daedra.

No it would not. One star is an escape hole to a single Et'Ada Magna Ge. And it's very possible that an et'ada of Mundus or Oblivion is attracted
to such a thing. They could well want to have freedom from the Mundus or on the padomaic side of things, appreciate to feed on the power flow.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:53 am

Akatosh is the Eye of the Warrior. Julianos is the Eye of the Mage. Arkay is the Eye of the Thief.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 4:32 pm

All.... right.. ehm...

First: I've never run across Convention marking the death of the Dragon God of Time in any source, but please feel free to reference one here; You could justify Lorkhan easily, but not Akatosh/Alkosh/Auriel/etc... unless you're pulling some serious Enantiomorph puns out of your ass.. in which case, Bravo.

Second: Consistency -isn't- always necessary, provided an idea exists in a vacuum, it is still preferable however. As for the Dwemer, I've never heard of there being ruins outside of Morrowind (Vvardenfell, and whatever the hell they called the Mainland,) Skyrim (???,) or Hammerfell (Volunfell,) though to be honest I hadn't heard about ruins in Skyrim until TES V. Again, if you have a source indicating otherwise, please share it? Also, there's some source floating around for the Dwemer having names for the Aedra; something having to do with Vivec, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. With the exception of Love (in the Vivec sense, though that well could have been a part of their effort,) I don't think terribly much was alien to the Dwemer.

Third: I don't think you're necessarily addressing Jara's point about the Magna-Ge, though the way he worded it could be misconstrued -just- so; If a single star is the hole punched by a single Magne-Ge, then the constellations including those stars would be similarly associated with all of them, not -just- one. The Magne-Ge dwell either in Aetherius or Beyond it, and in either event, aren't hovering around the holes they punched in fabric of mundane reality when they followed Magnus out; it's the Nirn-bound races that covet the energies flowing from Aetherius, not the ones balls-deep in them.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:21 pm

All.... right.. ehm...

First: I've never run across Convention marking the death of the Dragon God of Time in any source, but please feel free to reference one here; You could justify Lorkhan easily, but not Akatosh/Alkosh/Auriel/etc... unless you're pulling some serious Enantiomorph puns out of your ass.. in which case, Bravo.

Talos is Lorkhan is Akatosh.

Second: Consistency -isn't- always necessary, provided an idea exists in a vacuum, it is still preferable however. As for the Dwemer, I've never heard of there being ruins outside of Morrowind (Vvardenfell, and whatever the hell they called the Mainland,) Skyrim (???,) or Hammerfell (Volunfell,) though to be honest I hadn't heard about ruins in Skyrim until TES V. Again, if you have a source indicating otherwise, please share it? Also, there's some source floating around for the Dwemer having names for the Aedra; something having to do with Vivec, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. With the exception of Love (in the Vivec sense, though that well could have been a part of their effort,) I don't think terribly much was alien to the Dwemer.

I don't recall the source but I remember it mentioning dwemer ruins can be found throughout Tamriel. However, conclusive evidence seems to indicate they held presence in Cyrodiil, Skyrim, Morrowind, Hammerfell and I believe it's highly probable there can be ones found in High Rock or even Valenwood. I'm not sure of the origin of the dwemer but they could potentially had diverged from the aldmer in Valenwood. As that was the landing point onto Tamriel for the aldmeri.

Third: I don't think you're necessarily addressing Jara's point about the Magna-Ge, though the way he worded it could be misconstrued -just- so; If a single star is the hole punched by a single Magne-Ge, then the constellations including those stars would be similarly associated with all of them, not -just- one. The Magne-Ge dwell either in Aetherius or Beyond it, and in either event, aren't hovering around the holes they punched in fabric of mundane reality when they followed Magnus out; it's the Nirn-bound races that covet the energies flowing from Aetherius, not the ones balls-deep in them.

Shor, Tsun, Alduin. Aspects of the Et'Ada don't initially need to be on the Mundus. They can operate elsewhere.
As well as can say a reflective representation of an et'ada, manipulated through the combination or vision of the Magna Ge's trailings.
Giving sight to what the popular spirit represents through a comprehensible eyeglass in the magnetic field of Nirn.

At any rate if all the stars were associated with the Magna Ge, that's all the Birthsigns would be. Coincidental patterns of escapes done over in semantics.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:15 am

Constellations are the negative bits of white in an overactive CYMK color-space.

So much potential in such teeny, tiny sugar-cube dots.

Almost makes you think the Magna Ge didn't flee in such a hurry after all...
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