Proper spell combos just seemed an absolute no-brainer though - I really can't understand why they've decided not to implement it.

You can still "combine" 2 different effects by shooting them at the same time, it's just that the spells won't mix into something new like in the video where he puts 2 heals together into a new big ball heal.


So if you shoot a lightening and fire at the same time, 2 different projectiles will come out of you at the same time, instead of 1 special mixed ball.

Not being able to combine spells was expected.

Needing a perk to combine the same spell into a bigger spell was not. I thought that was just part of the default magic system, you either cast 2 weaker spells in two weapon mode or 1 big spell in two handed mode. Oh well if they hand't played that part up I wouldn't have expected it and actually thought that was a cool perk unlike most of the perks I've seen so far.

That's still not a replacement for spell crafting, not even close.

I'd rather have DW and the new spell types over SC. Opinions.

Yes sir booheads. I've answered most questions about it and gone over what's been nixed and what's not from Spells in general in the first page.

I hope discussion is meaningful here than the next 4-5 pages being what's been stated on Page 1 and the angst. All on Page 1.

Well, that's fantastic. Now we have no spellmaking and a practically butchered spell combination system? Wonderful...just wonderful. :banghead:

Same here.

With all of the different effects, I'm not surprised. As others have pointed out, however, it doesn't mean you can't have two different spells firing at the same time, just that they won't mix with each other to create some third effect.

Except spell crafting was the only reason to use magic, and made circinate spells worthless beyond purchasing the cheapest one purely for the effect. On top of this, the system was easily abusable.

But I'm sure you'll counteract with "BUT THEY SHOULD JUST BALANCE A FEW BILLION COMBINATIONS" right? I hate to quote Todd, but spellcrafting took the magic out of magic.

Didn't Todd Howard say that you can combine a lightning spell and a shield spell to make a lightning shield...?

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Spell crafting needed an overhaul that's all. So did attributes rather than a cut to the 3 all attributes affected in the end. And a few other things.

The takeaway here is that they didn't get time to implement or overhaul everything. Which is why that 11.11.11 date makes me feel like the game will have quite a few bugs(Not as bad as Obsidian games but still)

Yes, but he also said that it was something they were working on and he wasn't sure if it would be in. So guess what, it isn't in.

eh....a complete let down...but what is new about that.....

Of course you would, because you think only in extremes. Dual-wielding and the new spells were never intended to replace spell crafting, spell crafting was removed. Spell crafting could work with the new system, in fact this new system has even more potential for spell crafting over the previous one. Your comment that you would rather have this over that make no sense, when we can have both DW and SC with the new spells.

There is no place for extensive balance in a single player game, it is unneeded... Spellmaking put the magic in magic, it allowed us to create personal spells and RPing spells. Still, we are all entitled to our opinions and I understand your viewpoint: magic was incredibly powerful in Oblivion to the point were it was, indeed, mildly ridiculous. I believe that, if we returned to Morrowind, with spell failure and increased magicka costs/decreased magicka pool, things would end up being a bit more controlled until higher levels... :sadvaultboy:

Attempting to draw someones intellect from this discussion isn't a good road to go down. I'd advise against it.

The fact spell crafting could be abused in Oblivion has absolutely no bearing on a potential spell crafting system for Skyrim. Do you really believe with all the improvements they have made for Skyrim, they would just import the same spell crafting system from Oblivion? NO. They would make a new one. Yet another person thinking only in extremes. SC didn't take the magic out of magic, people like you take the magic out of magic.

Sounds right.

Could be cool, but it would take much time for them to develop and I cant wait much longeh!

I dont know if this is true though. Theres absolutely no footage of the player ever casting two different spells at the same time. The character always stops casting one spell to do the other.

Yeah. I had a feeling that was going to happen. Doesn't matter, the combat system for magic looks awesome and this time I really want to be a mage person. Being able to shoot a :flamethrower: out of your hands= awesome as hell. It definitely looks like an improvement compared to Oblivion and Morrowind.

I bet we will get a great mod for this

but yes I was not excepting 85x3x3x3 spells

the purpose of spellmaking in previous games was so you could learn a basic fire touch spell and then make a projectile fire spell that did more damage. people abused the [censored] out of it to make these gigantic world-killing fireballs and that's neat but it's also unbalanced. (NO IT WASNT IT WAS SO I COULD ROLEPLAY A FROST MAGE THAT DECIDED ONE DAY AFTER BEING BADLY WOUNDED BY A FIRE ATRONACH TO USE FIRE/FROST SPELLS INSTEAD)

in the new system you do more damage with your fire spell as you get better in destruction and specialize in whatever fire pathway it offers, and you can use those fire spells in different forms - touch, projectile, traps, whatever. the need for spell creation is gone.

just saying.

Months back there were Meet the Dev threads and posts on the people working on the game. There were one or two, or maybe they were articles somewhere, that listed the games people were currently playing. At one point there was more than one person playing the game Magicka.

That game is an excellent exploration on how you can design a magic system with mixing and matching in mind. While the mechanics would be completely different between this game and that one there are a lot of takeaways from it.

- in spell crafting every combination doesn't necessarily have to work
- if you craft a spell that fizzles, explodes in your face, or ends up doing something unexpected, well svcks to be you
- you can predetermine which spells are mix and matchable and set up an algorithm to have the rest of the combinations fizzle, explode in your face, do something unexpected

But Beth went the [censored] route and decided to take these options away from us by making the pre-combined spells (ie frost spells do frost damage and slow you down, etc). Stupid dummification of TES.... :confused:

Except the spell crafting system has essentially stayed the same since Daggerfall? They've only limited the ways you could cast spells from Daggerfall and that's it.