[RELZ] Companion Vilja ver 3.0 - Thread 8

Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:45 pm

I only use those 3 features: repair, recharge and spellteaching. I never tried the other things on her. Like training skills.

I have to check out this Companion Master mod. Any attempts it might make to change her skills will be pointless because her skills get reset whenever the player gains a level and in a few other situations too. (Of course the mod could be storing the values in variables and restoring them whenever they change, but I doubt it.) So don't expect to Vilja to get much better at repairing her armor not matter how much she practices. (Her scripts actually force her Armorer skill to be lower than typical to offset some of the skills that are higher than normal for an NPC.)
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:24 pm

No worries - it's just fine as it is. She was down to Disposition 90 once so I forcefed her strawberries in panic - but normally she's quite happy with the arrangements as they are. :)

Disposition 90? What's the problem? She'll drop to that just because you have a sword drawn while you're talking to her.

Just like real life, it's OK if friends are sometimes annoyed with each other. The problems usually resolve themselves naturally. You don't have to keep checking her disposition, she'll let you know if she's really unhappy.

On the other hand, I recommend that you never say you prefer brunettes or that she looks as big as a house in that outfit. :)
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:06 pm

I'm at the point where I'm doing part of her quest, but it doesn't seem to be working. I'll put the quest and problem in a spoiler tag (or, make the attempt). I may just be impatient, but it does seem a little odd.
Spoiler

So, Vilja's quest journal gets updated with the requirement to find/locate/purchase a book. I forget the exact name, but it is supposed to be a special book on the flora of Tamriel. It will help her locate all the missing ingredients she needs to help her sister.
And then she starts saying "You haven't forgotten that we need to go look in the book stores, have you?" Or, something to that effect.
So, I get to Chorrol and go to the book store there. Vilja is with me. I go to the vendor in the bookstore. Sure enough, she has the book. I purchase the book.
Nothing happens. Vilja just stands there. I go to Vilja and initiate a conversation to see if she will exclaim "Oh, you got the book...........!" Nope. Nothing.
I look and try all kinds of combinations in her dialog tree. No joy.
I open up her inventory and place the book in her inventory. Nothing happens.

So, I will admit that at the time I purchased the book I did NOT have her quest active. Was that a mistake? If so, how do I "undo" that? Sell the book back to the vendor, start up Vilja's quest, then buy the book again?

Or, should I have let Vilja "find" and purchase the book?

I guess I could go to IC and the book store there and see if something different happens. Maybe make sure her quest is active prior to entering the city.

Or, am I just being too impatient and she will eventually ask me if I have the book and then I can give it to her?


Anyway, having a great time with the mod. It's very immersive, deep, fun, easy, and hard at the same time. Great, great, fun.

Thanks,

Tarl
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:41 am

Tarl,

I don't think there's much of a spoiler in my answer, so I'll just say: Keep the book in your inventory and interact with Vilja normally. She should comment about it on her own. Emma will know more about exactly how it works if you're still having the problem when she reads this tomorrow.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:15 pm

I'm at the point where I'm doing part of her quest, but it doesn't seem to be working. I'll put the quest and problem in a spoiler tag (or, make the attempt). I may just be impatient, but it does seem a little odd.
Spoiler

So, Vilja's quest journal gets updated with the requirement to find/locate/purchase a book. I forget the exact name, but it is supposed to be a special book on the flora of Tamriel. It will help her locate all the missing ingredients she needs to help her sister.
And then she starts saying "You haven't forgotten that we need to go look in the book stores, have you?" Or, something to that effect.
So, I get to Chorrol and go to the book store there. Vilja is with me. I go to the vendor in the bookstore. Sure enough, she has the book. I purchase the book.
Nothing happens. Vilja just stands there. I go to Vilja and initiate a conversation to see if she will exclaim "Oh, you got the book...........!" Nope. Nothing.
I look and try all kinds of combinations in her dialog tree. No joy.
I open up her inventory and place the book in her inventory. Nothing happens.

So, I will admit that at the time I purchased the book I did NOT have her quest active. Was that a mistake? If so, how do I "undo" that? Sell the book back to the vendor, start up Vilja's quest, then buy the book again?

Or, should I have let Vilja "find" and purchase the book?

I guess I could go to IC and the book store there and see if something different happens. Maybe make sure her quest is active prior to entering the city.

Or, am I just being too impatient and she will eventually ask me if I have the book and then I can give it to her?


Anyway, having a great time with the mod. It's very immersive, deep, fun, easy, and hard at the same time. Great, great, fun.

Thanks,

Tarl


I was only able to find that book in the IC. You sure you have the right book?
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Tamriel Flora Illustrated

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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:02 pm

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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:46 am

Thanks the NoMerge tag often confuses me.

Sometimes it is meant to imply that the entire esp must be active and not merged into bashed patch and sometimes it is meant to imply that no just the tagged info and importing into the bashed patch is too much.

Hi Psymon
If NoMerge is used correctly, it always means that the Mod is mergeable, but don't add it to the list of mergeable mods in your bashed patch. It should have one more other tags for import (such as animations) which should be checked in the bashed patch and it should always be deactivated.

Any exceptions to this should be reported on the BOSS thread.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:44 pm

Isn't there a deactivate tag? When should that be used and why not with this?
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:57 pm

Isn't there a deactivate tag? When should that be used and why not with this?

A liittle off topic :)

NoMerge has an implied Deactivate tag and therefore Deactivate is redundant when used with NoMerge (in the same way that mergeable mods do not use the Deactivate tag). Deactivate seems to be used for mods that have a Filter tag, which should always be deactivated before building the patch - perhaps a better example is a non-mergeable mod that has elemments that need to be imported, but the mod should not be activated.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:36 pm

I'm at the point where I'm doing part of her quest, but it doesn't seem to be working. I'll put the quest and problem in a spoiler tag (or, make the attempt). I may just be impatient, but it does seem a little odd.
Spoiler

So, Vilja's quest journal gets updated with the requirement to find/locate/purchase a book. I forget the exact name, but it is supposed to be a special book on the flora of Tamriel. It will help her locate all the missing ingredients she needs to help her sister.
And then she starts saying "You haven't forgotten that we need to go look in the book stores, have you?" Or, something to that effect.
So, I get to Chorrol and go to the book store there. Vilja is with me. I go to the vendor in the bookstore. Sure enough, she has the book. I purchase the book.
Nothing happens. Vilja just stands there. I go to Vilja and initiate a conversation to see if she will exclaim "Oh, you got the book...........!" Nope. Nothing.
I look and try all kinds of combinations in her dialog tree. No joy.
I open up her inventory and place the book in her inventory. Nothing happens.

So, I will admit that at the time I purchased the book I did NOT have her quest active. Was that a mistake? If so, how do I "undo" that? Sell the book back to the vendor, start up Vilja's quest, then buy the book again?

Or, should I have let Vilja "find" and purchase the book?

I guess I could go to IC and the book store there and see if something different happens. Maybe make sure her quest is active prior to entering the city.

Or, am I just being too impatient and she will eventually ask me if I have the book and then I can give it to her?


Anyway, having a great time with the mod. It's very immersive, deep, fun, easy, and hard at the same time. Great, great, fun.

Thanks,

Tarl



I was only able to find that book in the IC. You sure you have the right book?
Spoiler

Tamriel Flora Illustrated




Peter ID is absolutely right...

Spoiler
Tamriel flora Illustrated is only for sale at First Edition in the Imperial city

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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:07 pm

Peter ID is absolutely right...

Spoiler
Tamriel flora Illustrated is only for sale at First Edition in the Imperial city



Yep, my bad. I was close with the name, but it was different. Must have been too much coffee. Or, not enough : )

Spoiler

The book I purchased in Chorrol was "Special Flora of Tamriel"

The quest is looking for "Tamriel Flora Illustrated".

Gee whiz. All I did was see that the titles had two of the same words and I didn't even think beyond that point.

Scary.


Well, somewhat embarrassing. Can't even use my age excuse for that one. I do appreciate the help.

Thanks,

Tarl
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:18 am

:) Hope it will continue well now!

I think there might be some other names and locations later one where it's also important to listen to what you are actually told...
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:02 pm

A couple of minor questions:

Vilja has moved to Aleswell Home. I told her to use the bed in the attic, but when we were downstairs and my char waited a couple of hours, Vilja wondered if there was a bed she could sleep in. Shouldn't she find her way to her bed in the attic from downstairs?

Also, my char lives in Frostcrag Spire and ever since Vilja has her bed in Aleswell I've noticed that she can disappear from Frostcrag when told to relax. I thought she might try to get to Aleswell when wanting to sleep perhaps? I followed her once and she exited Frostcrag and used the teleport to go to Cheydinhal's Mages Guild. Weird. Also, sometimes she stays put in Frostcrag and uses the bed there. In short, when telling her to relax, what are her priorities?

I love how she has a mind of her own. When talking to her in the Market Distric, she promptly said she was going to buy "alchemical ingredients" (read: strawberries) and that I could follow if I wanted to - and then she went away.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:45 pm

A couple of minor questions:

Vilja has moved to Aleswell Home. I told her to use the bed in the attic, but when we were downstairs and my char waited a couple of hours, Vilja wondered if there was a bed she could sleep in. Shouldn't she find her way to her bed in the attic from downstairs?


If you by "downstairs" mean the living-area, she should indeed find her way to the attic, unless you had told her another place were her new home in between, that would "cancel" her old bedmarkers. (Like if you for instance told her that she was living in Anvil and then returned to Aleswell and told her she lived there; then her bedmarker wouldn't automatically be in the attic).
If you by "downstairs" mean the basemant, she should have picked a bed there, unless they were already occupied.

Her bedmarker works like this: in order to prevent her from wandering off to distant towns to sleep, like some companions do, Vilja will only leave for her bedroom if she is in a cell that is close by the cell with her bedmarker, and she will only go to the cell with the bedmarker if she is in the cell with the homemarker if that makes sense. I think (but I haven't tested, as the situation hasn't arised before and I cannot play Oblivion right now) that if you tell her that she lives in the basemant of Aleswell (this is our new home) and you then are together with her in the livingarea, she wouldn't automatically go to the attic to sleep, as the attic isn't adjacent to the basemant.

Also, my char lives in Frostcrag Spire and ever since Vilja has her bed in Aleswell I've noticed that she can disappear from Frostcrag when told to relax. I thought she might try to get to Aleswell when wanting to sleep perhaps? I followed her once and she exited Frostcrag and used the teleport to go to Cheydinhal's Mages Guild. Weird. Also, sometimes she stays put in Frostcrag and uses the bed there. In short, when telling her to relax, what are her priorities?


Well, her priority should be to rest where she is, i.e. in Frostcrag, and it is in order to prevent her to go to Aleswell or anywhere else to sleep that we decided on the "design" of her bedmarker and sleepmarker system described above. What happens if you tell her which bed is hers i Frostcrag, will she again behave correctly?

I love how she has a mind of her own. When talking to her in the Market Distric, she promptly said she was going to buy "alchemical ingredients" (read: strawberries) and that I could follow if I wanted to - and then she went away.


I like it too... but I guess one has to get used to that companions don't always do what you expect them to, because over time I have had 2-3 letters from people who cannot understand why she suddenly walked away... ;)
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:09 am

I had also Frostcrag reborn installed and Vilja has never wander far from the tower even as she lives in Roxy cottage. I had seen this vehavior in Neeskha though.

Where she sleeps is not the only variable to consider here, as you can also chose where she will wander.
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:08 am

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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:35 pm

I had also Frostcrag reborn installed and Vilja has never wander far from the tower even as she lives in Roxy cottage. I had seen this vehavior in Neeskha though.

Where she sleeps is not the only variable to consider here, as you can also chose where she will wander.



Yes, but the design for her wandering is the same as for her sleeping... when she is told about a new place to live, her wander marker moves there and stays there until the player has told her where to wander. And she will only go wander if the wander-marker is reasonably close to the cell that she considers her home. I.e. it doesn't sound reasonable or adequate tht she would go to Cheydinhal to travel to Aleswell and wander.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:54 pm

I wonder how many versions we are away from, when starting a New Game, having an option for our avatar wake as a drudge in the Bloated Float, there to wait on tables until a young Nord girl enters and asks us to accompany her on her quest to save Cyrodiil from Daedric invasion?

Vilja has moved to Aleswell Home. I told her to use the bed in the attic, but when we were downstairs and my char waited a couple of hours, Vilja wondered if there was a bed she could sleep in. Shouldn't she find her way to her bed in the attic from downstairs?

I love how she has a mind of her own. When talking to her in the Market Distric, she promptly said she was going to buy "alchemical ingredients" (read: strawberries) and that I could follow if I wanted to - and then she went away.

I ran into something akin to this first issue when establishing Vilja in Weye Manor (AFK_Weye). At the time I was quite positive I told her that the downstairs area was her home, then took her upstairs and showed her where to sleep. Yet our first night there she acted as if I had not done so, questioning me as to where her bed was. I showed her that same bed. All has been well since. Looking back, I wonder if maybe I somehow got the order backwards, if that's even possible. This was during v2x btw. I was inexperienced with Vilja's ways at the time. In any case, once sorted out the system worked flawlessly.

Interesting bit about her wandering off on her own during your adventures. For whatever reason she hasn't done that with me yet.
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:58 pm

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Emma: I just read your modder interview on Bethblog, and want to thank you for your vivacity and creativity; and also to wish you all the best in your personal life and family health.:)

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Yes, but the design for her wandering is the same as for her sleeping... when she is told about a new place to live, her wander marker moves there and stays there until the player has told her where to wander. And she will only go wander if the wander-marker is reasonably close to the cell that she considers her home. I.e. it doesn't sound reasonable or adequate tht she would go to Cheydinhal to travel to Aleswell and wander.

Oh! I have assumed that you could set her wander site in any place and she would go there :blush: .

Re: Somewhat odd behavior from Vilja when told to relax

Returning to Frostcrag at 3 AM I asked Vilja if she wanted to relax a while. She immediately exited Frostcrag, teleported to the Arcane University and seemingly very determinedly continued to the Arboretum. There she just stopped, once in a while turning or walking a couple of steps but then stopping again. I waited with 1 hour intervals until 12 AM but except for doing her stuff once in a while (eating etc.) she seems quite content just standing by the entrance to the Arboretum. :huh:

This happens only in frostcrag? try with Iimperial City shack (as is also near to arborentum)
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:36 pm

Viconia was wearing an armor from Hentai Mania,(rather skimpy) Vilja says, "That's an Interesting outfit you have on Vicomia, Did you pick that out yourself?" :whistling:
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Post » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:05 pm

Arkngt, were you problems sorted out, as you removed your posts? I think she probably left Frostcrag because it was teleporters and not normal doors, but I haven't had a chance to check .
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Post » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:11 am

I wonder how many versions we are away from, when starting a New Game, having an option for our avatar wake as a drudge in the Bloated Float, there to wait on tables until a young Nord girl enters and asks us to accompany her on her quest to save Cyrodiil from Daedric invasion?


Hehe, well, that would be a new kind of start, wouldn't it? But would she consider such a person a worthy travelling company? :D

I ran into something akin to this first issue when establishing Vilja in Weye Manor (AFK_Weye). At the time I was quite positive I told her that the downstairs area was her home, then took her upstairs and showed her where to sleep. Yet our first night there she acted as if I had not done so, questioning me as to where her bed was. I showed her that same bed. All has been well since. Looking back, I wonder if maybe I somehow got the order backwards, if that's even possible. This was during v2x btw. I was inexperienced with Vilja's ways at the time. In any case, once sorted out the system worked flawlessly.

Interesting bit about her wandering off on her own during your adventures. For whatever reason she hasn't done that with me yet.


Abouot her wandering off... talk to her more often when you are in a city and it is more likely to happen. (I.e. if you do not want her to go shopping, don't talk to her when in a city; it works approx the same way as with real women)
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