Is Compensation Needed?

Post » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:34 pm

I created this poll simply to see where the majority of fallout fans stand on the issue of compensation due to the myriad number of bugs contained in the game from day 1.
I myself am a fallout fan and am not trying to flame anyone, i am just curious as to what people think. If you do feel compensation is necessary, post and let us know what would be sufficient to make up for the frustrating experince.
I realize gamers who have had no problems with the game will probably not be as frustrated as those who have experienced the dlc bug and the like. I am also realistic, and do realize that this poll will probably have no effect on bethesda/obsidians decision to charge 800 ms points for dead money which releases dec. 21.
Any input is appreciated, thanks
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Stu Clarke
 
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Post » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:30 pm

How about a patch that makes the game work as it was supposed to when released? Ill call it even then.
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Enny Labinjo
 
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:23 am

No. Software is buggy sometimes. Smart consumers wait for the reviews to see if a product is worth buying. If you took the product home and found it didn't work, return it to your place of purchase for a full refund. If you find that the game pretty much works fine but has a broken quest here and there or an occasional CTD, you have a choice to make. Take it back to the store or don't.

The manufacturer may choose to send you a fruit basket to apologize for your suffering, or not. I don't think Obsidian owes anything to anybody, though it is cool that they continue to work on patches.

Note that none of this is directed at you personally, Shamanix22.
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Post » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:29 pm

No. Software is buggy sometimes. Smart consumers wait for the reviews to see if a product is worth buying. If you took the product home and found it didn't work, return it to your place of purchase for a full refund. If you find that the game pretty much works fine but has a broken quest here and there or an occasional CTD, you have a choice to make. Take it back to the store or don't.

The manufacturer may choose to send you a fruit basket to apologize for your suffering, or not. I don't think Obsidian owes anything to anybody, though it is cool that they continue to work on patches.

Note that none of this is directed at you personally, Shamanix22.



I agree with this. I don't think we need to be compensated. Games have bugs, and a relatively small amount of people are experiencing them. They're working on patches. I don't think that all of these bugs could have been anticipated. IMO, it's a moot point to even discuss compensation, as it's most likely not going to happen.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:04 am

I voted yes. With the laundry list of issues this game has it should have been delayed until all the major glitches/issues were worked out. There was no excuse to release NV in its current state and all the blame goes to Obsidian/Bethesda because they had to have known all this but chose to release it anyway.

As stated above software can be buggy at times. But having game crashing / save corrupting issues added to all the other problems goes beyond the small things that can be overlooked and I would have easily waited another month or two for a more polished game than the unfinished mess we got.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:18 am

This is totally off topic, but thinking about Bethesda, buggy games, and post fixes reminded me of Daggerfall. I remember something buggy was happening in the game (I wish I could remember what!), so I found their customer service telephone number in the printed manual and called them. I talked to a human who asked me if I had a Internet connection and I was all, huh? So they snail mailed me a 3.5" floppy with the latest patch. Just take a minute to think about that whole transaction from beginning to end. Kudos Bethesda :)
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:07 am

I agree with this. I don't think we need to be compensated. Games have bugs, and a relatively small amount of people are experiencing them. They're working on patches. I don't think that all of these bugs could have been anticipated. IMO, it's a moot point to even discuss compensation, as it's most likely not going to happen.


All games get updates/patches. Because of all the piracy of PC games, hacked Xbox 360's and PS3's to play pirated DVD's, etc, the game developers have less resources to devote to testing, and we as honest gamers have to deal with evasive copyprotection, games with less evaluation/testing, and the "release now patch later" syndrome when the developers/publishers run out of funds!

Blame the thiefs (low lifes) for stealing games, movies, music, and software for the "not so perfect" release of entertainment these days!

I remember when Quake 3 was released and 1.2 million copies were sold in the first 3 weeks...yet 3.2 million people were online playing a few years back!

NO! I do not want compensation, I want all the turds that steal games to get jobs, and STOP stealing games, movies, and other media so the hard working people that make great games can get paid for what they do, and maybe one day the "bug" free game will be released!
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:04 am

I voted yes. With the laundry list of issues this game has it should have been delayed until all the major glitches/issues were worked out. There was no excuse to release NV in its current state and all the blame goes to Obsidian/Bethesda because they had to have known all this but chose to release it anyway.

As stated above software can be buggy at times. But having game crashing / save corrupting issues added to all the other problems goes beyond the small things that can be overlooked and I would have easily waited another month or two for a more polished game than the unfinished mess we got.

Note that the question isn't "Was NV released prematurely?", it's "Does Obsidian need to give back money/fruit baskets/other compensation to people who bought the game?"

Premature releases are part of the business, period. If this is the first video game you've ever bought, you get a free pass and hopefully you've learned a lesson. If not, you have no one to blame but yourself if you picked it up without waiting for the reviews.

And as I said before, bottom line? If the game doesn't work, take it back. Go ahead. I'll wait.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:25 am

Voted No. Though some might think they are laughing on the way to the bank in how this company put out such a flawed game, the justice will come when they try to release any games from this point forward. I have no intentions in spending my money on anymore of their products. OTOH, if they manage to come out with a patch that fixes the issues to make the game playable, I might have a change of heart. It is taking a long fracking time though. Which is understandable looking at the bug list...wow over 160? Inexcusable.
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Post » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:39 pm

Voted No. Though some might think they are laughing on the way to the bank in how this company put out such a flawed game, the justice will come when they try to release any games from this point forward. I have no intentions in spending my money on anymore of their products. OTOH, if they manage to come out with a patch that fixes the issues to make the game playable, I might have a change of heart. It is taking a long fracking time though. Which is understandable looking at the bug list...wow over 160? Inexcusable.


They need to fire in testing team who was responsible for giving this the 'ok' to release and if it was outsourced to a testing firm then NEVER HIRE THEM AGAIN.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:22 am

No. Software is buggy sometimes. Smart consumers wait for the reviews to see if a product is worth buying. If you took the product home and found it didn't work, return it to your place of purchase for a full refund. If you find that the game pretty much works fine but has a broken quest here and there or an occasional CTD, you have a choice to make. Take it back to the store or don't.

The manufacturer may choose to send you a fruit basket to apologize for your suffering, or not. I don't think Obsidian owes anything to anybody, though it is cool that they continue to work on patches.

Note that none of this is directed at you personally, Shamanix22.

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Harinder Ghag
 
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Post » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:09 pm

You can't return open video games to any store it is against the law
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Haley Merkley
 
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:13 am

You are asking a company that releases dross like this to compensate you.
The same company thst have the audacity to announce a 800MSP DLC before even fixing a game that many people can't even play.
I would say your chances are nil.
For Gods sake, the games been out a month and its still buggered beyond belief and nobody knows if or when it'll even be fixed.
These toerags don't give a toss about the consumer, if they did they would'nt have released such sub standard crap.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:28 am

You can't return open video games to any store it is against the law

Is that true? Crazy. Return policies have changed since my day I guess.

All the more reason not to scamper out like a starving puppy and buy a game on day one of its release.
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Dina Boudreau
 
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:08 pm

I created this poll simply to see where the majority of fallout fans stand on the issue of compensation due to the myriad number of bugs contained in the game from day 1.
I myself am a fallout fan and am not trying to flame anyone, i am just curious as to what people think. If you do feel compensation is necessary, post and let us know what would be sufficient to make up for the frustrating experince.
I realize gamers who have had no problems with the game will probably not be as frustrated as those who have experienced the dlc bug and the like. I am also realistic, and do realize that this poll will probably have no effect on bethesda/obsidians decision to charge 800 ms points for dead money which releases dec. 21.
Any input is appreciated, thanks

Normally I would vote no on something like this but I have a $60 game that has done nothing but collect dust since the patch came out... yea that's fair :rolleyes:
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:46 pm

Is that true? Crazy. Return policies have changed since my day I guess.

All the more reason not to scamper out like a starving puppy and buy a game on day one of its release.


If you are in the UK that is wrong.
Trading Standards treat video games the same as any other product.
If its faulty you are entitled to a full refund if you have proof of purchase, regardless of whether its opened or not.
I know because i rang them 2 days ago and they told me i could return the game for a full refund.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:36 am

I voted yes, but I don't feel it needs to be monetary. I think when Dead Money is released, they should offer it for free (or even 400 msp/half price) instead of the full price for the first week or so of it's release. Seems a fair enough deal for me.

However, I don't expect anything, and wouldn't be affected if nothing outside the eventual patch happens. Mainly because I've played through completely once already (with minimal bugs/crashes) and it's not until my second character, that I've run into bigger issues (corrupt auto saves and not being able to enter The Strip anymore without it crashing).

It's a shame such an awesome game has these issues, but I am happy that the issues are being worked on.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:52 am

This is totally off topic, but thinking about Bethesda, buggy games, and post fixes reminded me of Daggerfall. I remember something buggy was happening in the game (I wish I could remember what!), so I found their customer service telephone number in the printed manual and called them. I talked to a human who asked me if I had a Internet connection and I was all, huh? So they snail mailed me a 3.5" floppy with the latest patch. Just take a minute to think about that whole transaction from beginning to end. Kudos Bethesda :)


So let me get this correct, you phoned them and they sent out a patch via the mail system yes? At worst you would have waited 5 days for that patch via that transport system, more likely 2 to 3 days. No kudos to Bethesda me thinks, more like kudos to the mail system lol. Get a move on Bethesda and give me a sweetener, like some simple DLC for example so I can at least blame the "you don't have the required DLC" save corruption on something tangible.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:44 am

No. Software is buggy sometimes. Smart consumers wait for the reviews to see if a product is worth buying. If you took the product home and found it didn't work, return it to your place of purchase for a full refund. If you find that the game pretty much works fine but has a broken quest here and there or an occasional CTD, you have a choice to make. Take it back to the store or don't.

The manufacturer may choose to send you a fruit basket to apologize for your suffering, or not. I don't think Obsidian owes anything to anybody, though it is cool that they continue to work on patches.

Note that none of this is directed at you personally, Shamanix22.


Lol. If only you could return the game to the store.. I live in the U.S. and I bought it from Best Buy. The only thing I can do is return it for a fresh copy, but not for a refund or for an item of similar value. So much for your theory, though. :D
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:44 am

Normally, I'd say no to compensation. Why? Because games do have bugs, it's unavoidable. But FNV? Far too many bugs, and far too many of them gamebreaking. I've done so many workarounds after encountering bug after bug. Raul's quest bugged so that you can't even activate it if you've talked to a certain NPC first? Fine, so I'll go without Raul's upgrade this time. Crashing into the Vegas strip because I killed that one guy for a quest for his hat? Fine, I go online to look up a solution and found a workaround and reloaded a save game and lose 2 hours of game time. There are plenty more but the final bug is what finally got me and pretty much stopped me from playing. The savegame DLC bug. Half my save games are corrupted, with the most recent working one being a 20 hour loss. Plus even if I reloaded, I'd have to avoid certain quests and that's not even a guarantee my savegames won't corrupt again.

So, I'd have to yes to compensation. I can't remember a game so riddled with bugs. Hey I'm patient, I can put the game aside and wait for a patch. But this is completely unprofessional to release a game in such a shoddy condition. It would be a nice gesture if they offered a free DLC for their great but horribly broken game.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:20 am

I said no. Being realistic. I'm not entitled to free content. Sure I'd happily take it as a goodwill gesture from the company if content was offered, but I wouldn't kick up a fuss if there was nothing.

That being said though, I need a Vault canteen..To aid my hardcoe playthrough when I eventually get around to booting the game up for the first time. ;)
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:57 am

Just wanted to thank everyone who has voted and commented so far, hopefully the patch will come out soon and we can all enjoy new vegas as it was meant to be played :D
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:28 am

I don't think compensation in the form of some unique DLC is necessary, but it would be nice as a conciliatory gesture, like a complimentary dessert when your steak wasn't quite cooked to your preference, a new weapon (re-skin) would surely be very easy to implement and be of little cost to produce.

I'd much rather just have the patch but some acknowledgement of the hours people have wasted in the form a token gesture would be nice and would go some way toward showing some empathy towards those who have suffered major problems with this otherwise fantastc game.
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:48 am

I voted no even though I've had both my playthroughs ruined by save files not wanting to load. I think the actual gameplay is awesome so I'll just wait for the promised patch and enjoy it then. (I just hope it happens before Deus Ex comes out, that game is gonna take priority over everything else once I get it)
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Post » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:51 am

We deserve a patch, that's it. Not free DLCs. It's not even practical, Microsoft wouldn't allow it for the Xbox.
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