I've been counting up to 10 for the last hour or so, but before I go and make a fool of myself (which is a far-too-common occurrence) I just want to make sure that I'm on the same page as Elanthil.

What we are talking about is a pic in the search engine (rather than the front page) of F3 nexus of some unclothed oversized briasts.

actually it wasnt the briasts that got my ire up. It was a bit...further down the body.

And I dont 'shield' my son from six, I choose what sixual content he is exposed to as much as possible.

I want him to understand six should be a clean, healthy thing, and that the naked body is a work of art, not something to 'get your jollies' to.

When you flash nudity all over the place, show women with mutated anatomy (and Im NOT talking about briasts here..at least not only so), and deliberately show women as somehow NEEDING to be naked...while IGNORING the male body in the same breath....you cheapen and DIRTY UP sixuality and turn the male body into something to be ashamed or afraid of, and the female body into a six object ONLY.

Do you 'get where I'm coming from' now?

This is all just my way of asking people to RESTRAIN themselves a bit and show some decorum when it comes to six. At no point did I order anyone in any way to stop MAKING this stuff.

I'd rather catch my kid with a copy of Behind the Green Door than some of the garbage I see on the Nexus lately.

Can't you just tell us what you searched for? Hard to see your point if we don't know just how far this mod was pushing it.

And before some [censored] comments, I am 100% straight.
EDIT: Smarta$$ is censored? I swear that thing gets stricter every day...

Search was simply for 'latest files'.

Result was two mods by the same guy, one with gargantuan mammaries, and the other not only naked from the toes up, but with outsized 'female lower anatomy', lacking body hair of any kind, and with a face that was disgustingly child like.

THATS why I got Irate. If it was simply a female advlt with mutated anatomy, I would still be angry because 1: I didnt want to see it, or my kid to see it without preparation and 2: It insults women.

But this...this goes beyond all comprehension. It was bordering on child pormography and it made me slightly ill to see it.

The picture in question has since vanished, thank all the Gods.

Anyway this is a dead horse.

Apparently most folks out there want free range pormography on the Nexus, so who am I to stand in the way?

And apparently the words decorum and self restraint have no meaning in this language anymore.

And apparently its ok to brutally abuse women by turning them into six objects.

So, yah, lets delete this topic.

I agree with the OP, here - if you're going to make mods like that, bear in mind that your picture is shown on the list. Sure, make such mods, but in the same way you wouldn't place explicit images on the outside of a porm shop, don't place them in the mod listing!


Of course, everyone reading this probably wouldn't, so why I'm saying this? Show the op some support, I guess
You guys are being way too harsh - who are you to tell him how he should parent his kid?
What's wrong with him modding f3 to let his kid play it? It's violent, but no more than any TV show. It's just a pity some people are unthinking in what they upload (the picture, not the mod)

WOAH.... slow down, there. Child pormography (even if not full on) completely changes things, as does the whole mutilations of the famale form. You didn't make that clear in the OP. In this regard, I am fully with you. However, instead of just being classed advlt only, I think that mods containing what could be regarded as child pormography should be flat out banned. It's sick and shouldn't be tolerated.

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What he said.

To the OP, you did not make that clear, I personally got the impression you were offended by NPC's with over sized appendages, which while I'm not into that myself I don't find offensive but I do think the modder is somewhat quirky creating something like that.

But child porm is a whole other thing, even if hinted at it should be banned.

Yup. Big difference between a Pamala Anderson look-a-like, and sixual child molestation. The first you can just grin at (prolly why most people played tomb raider), the latter has no words for it's depravity. And I live in a country where these pedophile freaks have their own political party -don't get me started, I'll rant for hours..


Acolyte doesn't feel hatred towards much.., and then there are those he would happily cut the hearts out of, with a spoon... quoted Alan Rickman

My whole point being that objectification/pr0n of females, females and males, or only males, shouldn't be at all different to explain.




my case rests.

What I saw was listed thing #1 which you listed. A graphic depiction of naked men. The mesh and skin on the raiders had been manipulated to make them have detailed, extra-large six parts and to be running around with that six part as big, and extended, and exposed as it can get.

The NPCs in the images I saw were not engaging in simulated six.

So, that pops me into category 1 in your book, the prude, would it not? And because I'm saying that such an image is advlt material that should not seep through an advlt content filter?

What i'm saying is is that in posts before you where in "oh teh gays! teh horror" mode. An equally disproportionate female would be equally disturbing/offensive and hard to explain.

Here are some tips.

1. block advlt content as said before by many people
2. download a free advlt content blocker (just search porm blocker in google) (searches pages for inappropriate content and blocks them)
3. monitor your son's use of internet if possible
4. the game is violent, people are perverted and i can see your point but you can't restrict what people do so your going to have to find a work around my friend

There's lots of issues in this thread interlaced with plenty of personal opinions, some very conservative, some very liberal. As the site owner I'm tasked with trying to make the utilitarian dream of keeping as many people as happy as possible a reality. Nexus censorship has always been very limited, there's plenty of reasons for this that have been tackled time and time again. Probably most important is that the site is made for games with a mature content rating and people are always encouraged to simply ignore and move on from the files that they don't agree with or have no interest in.

The op has stated that the irritation came from seeing a mod's primary image when going through search results/categories. There are two things I'll say here. The first is that Nexus sites are community driven sites. The content is made and largely managed by the community. Authors are the ones who set the advlt-only tag on their files, but there is a report feature that the community can use if the author hasn't set an advlt tag. Authors can and do get warned for uploading advlt files without setting the advlt tag. So the point is here; if you see an advlt file when you have set advlt files to hidden then you should be using the report features provided so the admins of the site can set the advlt tag on the file. If you simply move on without reporting the file then I have no sympathy. Secondly there is the option to remove file images from search results/categories altogether in the member preferences area so if this is a major irritation (irritating enough to make a TL;DR post on the official forums!) then I'd recommend setting this option.

Nexus sites are for everybody, and we all have different opinions on what should and shouldn't be allowed. Do I agree or like all of the content that's uploaded? No, of course I don't, but somebody does, and it's not my job to try and preach to others about what should and shouldn't be acceptable in the grey areas of censorship, such as nudity, over the internet. A view point that my parents would totally disagree with, the avid Christians that they are, but I'm still young at 22 and more liberal in my ways. Obvious non-grey areas such as racism don't need a mention.

Much agreed...

It's like a country banning smoking because one person finds it bad... Sometimes trying to control a situation more then it should be makes it worse.

BTW, smoking is bad but thats called an opinion.

Again, I think some people need to use some common sense.

FO3 is a game for people over 17 years old, as rated by the ESRB. What this means is that little 16 year old kids should not be playing this (wow big surprise). With that said, Nexus and modders do not actually have an obligation to make advlt filters because the people who should be playing this game are, theoretically, advlts or very close to being one. As a result, parents who let their underaged kids to play this game should know the risks and review the contents of the game themselves prior to letting their kids having access to them. Very simple logic, really.

Now, I remember the OP complaining about something about child pormography. Well, that's a very different issue as it is completely illegal. However, the sad thing is that there is not much that could be done about this unless Nexus hires moderators that review every single one of the submissions. And of course, if the people who made the child porm mods are reading this thread, I doubt it will deter them from continuing their activities since they are likely mentally-ill in some ways.

Tarrant, I believe the issue was that you stated that it was a "gay porm" mod. The one variant with the erect genitalia seems a bit much for me, but why do you assume that it's gay? I'm fairly certain that the modder who created that mod is indeed female. Regardless, it seems a little unfair that we can have innumerable female nudity mods with massive briasts, complete with pencil-eraser nipbles, and spread-eagle shots of their swollen genitalia, but not the male equivalent. Would I use either? No, but that's my preference.
OP, It would be a good system to implement, not having advlt content in the main search pic.

Did you have to go into that much detail? Now I feel sick... :S

You (all of you) and I know perfectly well that if my kid didn't play the gore/swear filtered version at my house, under my watchful eye, he would be playing it elsewhere, possibly even in the school computer lab during study periods or after school (they have a computer club and I've been to it and seen kids playing Diablo II, Crysis, Left for Dead, and Doom 3), so dont pull that ESRB bull crap on me, thanks

And again, my main issue isn't telling people to NOT post nudity at all (learn to bloody well read people!) Its that you shouldn't mark your mod as NOT advlt, then put naked pics in as the pic that shows up when searched for.

And if people WOULD actually bloody read, you would see that the post by the kind operator of the Nexus bears that view out.

And finally, if people actually bloody well read, you would see that I posted a second title line on this thread called PLEASE TAKE THIS CONSTRUCTIVELY.

This isn't supposed to be a flame thread, or an argument thread, its a simple critique of certain peoples apparent lack of sensitivity toward others, and a plea for you to THINK before you POST a screenshot.

Unfortunately, kids are exposed to these things no matter how hard you try as a parent. If your concerned, talk to the principal at your child's school about what goes on in the computer club and that they are playing games that are unacceptable for their age group. If your son is old enough to play them, then maybe its time you let him make decisions for himself. The more you constrict him, the more he will go searching for those sorts of things. I am not saying expose him to them but give him some freedom.

The main idea of a forum is for public opinion sharing, the fact that your accusing us of taking it the wrong way isn't something we want to hear. If you wanted a straight answer that you were looking for then maybe your posting to try to persuade yourself of something else. We are trying to give constructive opinions and by being shot down, it has the potential for people to retaliate in a negative manner, often exacerbating the flaming or spammyness.

peace out ^_^

I think the problem comes from the "carelessness" from the modders. More precisely, some modders are lazy to put the nudity mark on their title.

In my opinion, perhaps, you should contact Budda the admin in the website and perhaps suggest him that any uploading materials are marked to be advlt content unless the author claims that it is not.

I believe the last few posters mistook my intention there too. No no, discussion is fine, its the couple of people who posted saying basically 'We want to expose people to porm, so screw you' that I'm thwapping at...and mostly I don't know why, their kind doesnt listen anyway.

The points of that last post really wasnt to shoot anyone down, just to point out that I already 'get it'. I've always 'gotten it'. and to reply to two or three individual posts, not to bash people in this topic as a whole.

You must admit there have been a few posts here that were...eccentric...or obviously posted by people under 21...probably under 18.

Why is it so hard to accept that many of us, not just me, would like other people to show some restraint and professionalism in their publishing?

You putting porm on the front page of your mod, where it bypasses advlt filters, is like me pasting a graphic six picture from a magazine on the grill of my car...its shocking, its discomforting, and, well, its probably illegal.

Whether for good or ill, those type of laws have not yet truly come to the internet. Even if they have, they are hard to enforce.

What I'm suggesting is that if you want the MOST people to use your mod, then you need to cater to the MOST COMMON desire. The most COMMON desire is to see a mod, be TANTALIZED by it, and delve deeper into it.

It's actually a BUSINESS in my country.

we call it: ADVERTISING.

By showing me '*ALL* the goods' in your front page, I get three things out of your post:

1. You are a crass person with very little sense of dignity or decorum or professionalism.

2. Because you lack professionalism, your mod is probably second rate and buggy

3. You have crossed the line between my PUBLIC life and my PRIVATE life and embarrassed me, whether thats a good thing or a bad thing (If I'm a prude..so bloody what?), the fact remains, my cheeks have reddened, my blood pressure has gone up, and I'm ANNOYED, and therefore I will want little to do with your mod.


The vast majority of the people on this planet believe that public is public, and private is private, and that sixuality and nudity belong in PRIVATE.


So, if that applies to the vast majority of the world's people, isn't it just basic good business sense to post your mod in a professional, downplayed manner and tantalize me?

Think of it this way...if you tell me its a nvde mod, but the girl on the search page is wearing a harem outfit or a string bikini...I will be tantalized...I will want to know more...how is it a 'nvde mod' if shes clothed??? so...I will open your mod up and view the FULL screenshots page...where you can freely and professionally (hopefully) assault my senses with all manner of nakedness.

Thats it, in a nutshell.

Professionalism.
Decorum
Dignity



There is an old saying in child psychology circles: You can't teach a new dog old rules, and its generally understood that many (not all, but many) 'nvde mods' are posted by the 14 to 25 age crowd.

I should try to remember that before I post about this kind of thing


If my post(s), any of them, offended anyone or came across as a rant, obtuse, or 'prudish', I apologize. It really wasn't my intent...but it's hard to post calmly and professionally (pokes himself for having been unprofessional and emotional) when the image of that...half-advlt, half-child, half---mutated monstrosity...is stuck in your mind.

The ball, as it were, is strictly in the court of the Nexus and the people who browse it, and how they choose to enforce the sites advlt content rules. I feel the Nexus staff are doing a fine job on it, overall, actually, its just, as the site operator posted here, that some people are using the screenshot system to 'get around' advlt ratings, and the only way to stop that is for us to observe and diligently report...something I'm not prepared to waste much time doing, I must admit, so that being the case, I need to just thicken my skin a bit, and make sure at least the 8 year old isnt around, and that if the 16 year old sees this stuff, we discuss it.

I consider this topic a dead horse. I haven't changed anyones mind appreciably, people are deliberately misreading my posts in order to find some tiny nugget to piss them off, and I believe we should just let the topic lie as an example of the sheer diversity of opinion people have.


I WILL say this, however, and then I'm done...outsized bodyparts and intimations that the being in question is somehow 'childlike' or perhaps even, by some remote stretch of imagination, an actual child is disgusting, illegal, and makes me want to harm the author.

"It's a parent thing. you wouldn't understand" I guess.

You've had more than enough opportunity to have your say on the subject, and any repetition would no longer be constructive at this point. Closed to prevent flaming in response.