Its possible the average full warrior is expected to have one handed two handed archery smithing heavy armor block and lockpick.

The average full mage .. all 6 magic skills and alchemy..

And the average full thief all 6 stealth skills and archery

With archery being a combat skill....

No I haven't. What else is there to say? I believe they're grouped, you don't. We both have reason to believe either is the case. I haven't said anything about it because there's nothing left to say.

There is a new skill called conception

Check the picture in this page

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422177

Mercantile and speech are rolled to together, and with perk trees I highly doubt theres going to be two armor skills.

is h2h cut or was it merged with 2 handed skill since in theory you used both hands to do it in reality.

though the same argument could be for onhanded punching if one was to go hand and board

Ok, this I really don't agree with. Do you know many killing moves there are? I learned a couple in high school wrestling for crying out loud. Now punching monsters, dragons, and dudes wearing full body armor to death with your bare hands doesn't make much sense, so I understand why it doesn't work in the game, but to say that martial arts isn't dangerous is the stupidest statement I've ever heard in my entire life.

I think that with speechcraft and mercantile combined it leaves the last spot for conception

That was actually a JOKE in response to the "name your kid Dovahkiin, get Bethesda products for life" thing. It's just a photoshop of this pic: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-SkillsMenu_wLegal.jpg

Ok, that looks like a joke. See what it says under the picture. "New born" energies? Really?

Spalex's site has some seriously important information, most aforementioned in previous articles but also a substantial amount of new items. And of course the game-changing conception skill. Does anyone know if its legit?

It's just a photoshop of this pic: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-SkillsMenu_wLegal.jpg

It's just a photoshop of this pic: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-SkillsMenu_wLegal.jpg

It's a joke!!! :stare: For goodness sake read the caption!

Haha sorry guys my bad I probably should have realised that the description did seem kinda weird. That site still has some pretty cool newish info though

I'm still stuck in what the final skills will be not too sure about mercantile and speechcraft thought I red somewhere that they were merged, I'm kinda hoping this is the case as this opens up a slot for a cool new skill.

Listening to music and doing homework right now sorry i didnt scrutinize the image. That is why i phrased it as a question. No need for the animosity with the emoticon, as rediculous as that sounds haha.

LOL at the people who though conception was a new skill hahahaha. Yeah we get better at giving birth. honestly :rofl:

You do realize conception can also mean understanding or aptitude right?

You do realize conception can also mean understanding or aptitude right?

You do realize conception can also mean understanding or aptitude right?

I hope dual-wielding requires a skill or a perk unlock to become available.

EDIT: I looked at the thing Spalex linked to. I saw it mentioned that you cannot block with a sword in one hand and a spell in the other, for example. WTF!? You cannot PARRY!? Well, I suppose that might be a perk to labour towards before you can parry...would kinda make sense...but if not? Dumb.

I think this is all fair enough. Some thoughts in response.

1. One question is how seriously to take the idea that there will be 6 skills per archetype. Without classes and birthsigns, what's the motivation for that?

2. Even if there are 6 skills per archetype, it's not clear that none of the "Thief" skills can be moved to "Combat" skills. Perhaps Archery will be moved to "Combat" - thanks to Wintermane who mentioned this earlier in the thread. This is surely not implausible. Remember: one of the seemingly "Mage" skills - Alchemy - has been moved to the "Thief" skills. So it's not unprecedented that skills previously under one category will be moved to a different one. And Archery isn't a terrible fit for the "Combat" skills - it's certainly no worse than Alchemy is for "Stealth".

In general, while I don't disagree with a lot of the people suggesting that Speechcraft and Mercantile have been merged, or that the Armour skills have been merged (or dropped entirely), I think an important thing to keep in mind for the purposes of speculation is what will be the replacement skills? With Acrobatics, Athletics, and Hand-to-Hand removed, there's 18 skills. If we start removing/merging even more, new skills need to be invented to take the total number back up to 18.

Of course, this might just be my idiosyncrasy. You might be happy to say "well, they just have to come up with something new. Don't know what it might be, though". I guess I'd like to see something more concrete and specific before I abandon my initial hypothesis (the one I gave in the OP).

Anyway, thanks for the interesting discussion.

Haha, this title is rather misleading, many of these skills aren't at all confirmed. I'm of the opinion mercantile and speechcraft will be getting mixed.

I personally hope there are 2 unknown skills.
That makes it a surprise.

You're right I just didn't think of it that way :thumbsup:.
It was funnnier to think of it the other way though lol. Way to triple post btw.

Yeah definitely funnier like that. Hey they said there would be children in this one haha. But yeah my computer was lagging and i presssed reply a bit to vigorously so my bad on the triple post.