Completely stuck with installation of mods - over 401 esps : IV - Oblivion

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:17 pm

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Combat Archery.espD7  Atmospheric Oblivion.espD8  Streamline 3.1.esp

I removed Oblivion XP, removed all menus modifying mods, then reinstalled them (DarkUI, nGCD etc.)

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:27 pm

Run BOSS on your LO again. Delinquent masters are bad, especially on the Bashed Patch... Did you test this as you built it?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:56 pm

I removed Oblivion XP, removed all menus modifying mods, then reinstalled them (DarkUI, nGCD etc.)

Thanks for posting the current load order. Tomlong's point about delinquent masters should be a quick fix. Looks like you just forgot to move Atmospheric up to a good place above the bashed patch. Other than that, I'm not seeing anything that jumps out at me as a problem.

So, what problem exactly are you having now?

gothemasticator

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:25 pm

Thanks for posting the current load order. Tomlong's point about delinquent masters should be a quick fix. Looks like you just forgot to move Atmospheric up to a good place above the bashed patch. Other than that, I'm not seeing anything that jumps out at me as a problem.

So, what problem exactly are you having now?

gothemasticator

Yup. Also, with a load order that size, you want to make sure your Bashed Patch is configured properly too: http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=bashed_patch

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:50 pm

My current problem is that game crashes on powerattacking while having OBSE plugin: Elys Uncapper turned on (installed).

What are those deliquent masters?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:11 am

When you posted your Bash list, Bash pointed them out. The warning says "Delinquent MASTER." What version of Elys' Uncapper and OBSE are you using?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:29 am

Both newest. OBSE v18, Elys 0.96 (from tesnexus).

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:19 pm

Not quite. Remove Elys' Uncapper, and add http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=31464. Do you have http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23979 installed?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:21 am

Installed this official unofficial 0.98, and still crash on powerattack. I do have Pluggy. (125b)

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:55 am

Do you have any powerattack mods installed? Try moving your KF, the anim folder in Meshes\Characters\_Male, out of your Data folder temporarily.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:20 pm

I'm sure I have. Deadly Reflex, DMC Stylish, but I'm sure these aren't problem: I tried what you've said, I tried moving whole meshes folder, I tried moving textures folder, I tried moving sound folder, out of data folder and no effect. Only Oblivion.esm activated.

I have Windows 7, it may be a bit of help.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:32 am

Are your other OBSE-dependent mods working?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:12 pm

I'm sorry? I've never tried. I'm trying to get my game running, so I didn't even started going through First-run guide of POSItive, but to check if eg. Deadly Reflex works, I'd need to... powerattack. What else do I have... Mhm... Persuasion Overhaul and Stealth Overhaul work due to OBSE. Also nGCD. Shall I test them? Somehow... Coz I don't see myself going through tutorial with no powerattack, and possibly other bugs

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:39 am

I'm sorry? I've never tried. I'm trying to get my game running, so I didn't even started going through First-run guide of POSItive, but to check if eg. Deadly Reflex works, I'd need to... powerattack. What else do I have... Mhm... Persuasion Overhaul and Stealth Overhaul work due to OBSE. Also nGCD. Shall I test them? Somehow... Coz I don't see myself going through tutorial with no powerattack, and possibly other bugs

You're using DR... Well, that sounds worth investigating. Uninstall it and try again.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:09 am

I don't use DR, it's turned off as all other mods, i'm running only Oblivion.esm. And indeed it has some replacers at meshes, textures and sounds, but as I said - I moved all those folders out of data folder for testing, and Deadly Reflex .esp is turned off, so it's like this mod never existed.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:44 pm

You are running Vanilla Oblivion, and the game has gone bonkers? Am I understanding you correctly? Have you tried regenerating the Oblivion.ini?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:02 pm

Regenerating? No. But, it isn't REALLY Vanilla Oblivion, though, as I said - I tried 'turning off' all replacer-folders, all .esp mods, leaving just OBSE, and it still crashes due to Uncapper.

What does regenerate .ini mean anyway?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:00 pm

Regenerating? No. But, it isn't REALLY Vanilla Oblivion, though, as I said - I tried 'turning off' all replacer-folders, all .esp mods, leaving just OBSE, and it still crashes due to Uncapper.

What does regenerate .ini mean anyway?

http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=know_how_to#RegenerateTheOblivion.ini

Okay, do this then. Move the Meshes, Textures and Menus folders out of the Oblivion folder, as well as all plugins, except for the Oblivion.esm file. You need to test vanilla Oblivion.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:18 am

Okay, here're steps I've taken:

0. Activate ONLY Oblivion.esm file.
0.5. Regenerate Oblivion.ini
1. Move Meshes, textures, menus out, test Oblivion --> crash on powerattack with all OBSE plugins (that is: data/obse/plugins) loaded
2. Move sounds folder in additon to previous folders, test Oblivion --> like above ^
3. Move out any other OBSE plugins than Elys Uncapper out, tested Oblivion with just right patch 1.2.416, OBSE and Uncapper --> crash on powerattack

This issue seems to be more complex than any I encountered ever before.

If it helps, I'll remind you I have SI installed, as stated in load order.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:15 pm

Wow. Your game is putting you through the ringer. I would suggest:

Remove OBSE and all OBSE plugins. Run an entirely vanilla Oblivion plus SI. Does it run without crashing on power attack.
If yes, then delete your copies of OBSE and all OBSE plugins. Redownload them. Install new copies, one at a time, testing power attack in between.
If no, then uninstall and reinstall Oblivion itself. Something has gone wrong.

The reason for possibly redownloading OBSE and its plugins is that so many people (myself included) use Elys' Uncapper, and no one to my knowledge has ever reported this issue.

gothemasticator

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:31 am

Wow. Your game is putting you through the ringer. I would suggest:

Remove OBSE and all OBSE plugins. Run an entirely vanilla Oblivion plus SI. Does it run without crashing on power attack.
If yes, then delete your copies of OBSE and all OBSE plugins. Redownload them. Install new copies, one at a time, testing power attack in between.
If no, then uninstall and reinstall Oblivion itself. Something has gone wrong.

The reason for possibly redownloading OBSE and its plugins is that so many people (myself included) use Elys' Uncapper, and no one to my knowledge has ever reported this issue.

gothemasticator

Seconded. This is a really odd conflict.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:21 pm

In case I need to reinstall Oblivion, can I just copy/paste necessary folders (data, specifically) with mods? I seriously don't feel like reinstalling all this again.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:27 am

In case I need to reinstall Oblivion, can I just copy/paste necessary folders (data, specifically) with mods? I seriously don't feel like reinstalling all this again.

I think so. Move ALL of the loose folders out of the Data folder. Move Saves out of the other Oblivion folder (My Games). Delete both Oblivion folder, and then reinstall Oblivion. You will have to reinstall your utilities, but that should take no time, really...

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:05 pm

Wow. Your game is putting you through the ringer. I would suggest:

Remove OBSE and all OBSE plugins. Run an entirely vanilla Oblivion plus SI. Does it run without crashing on power attack.
If yes, then delete your copies of OBSE and all OBSE plugins. Redownload them. Install new copies, one at a time, testing power attack in between.
If no, then uninstall and reinstall Oblivion itself. Something has gone wrong.

The reason for possibly redownloading OBSE and its plugins is that so many people (myself included) use Elys' Uncapper, and no one to my knowledge has ever reported this issue.

gothemasticator

Nope, it wasn't crashing. Installed another Oblivion alongside mine, with Oblivion.esm & SI activated, installed OBSE, Elys Uncapper and... It still crashes. Yes, without any other mods.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:07 pm

Nope, it wasn't crashing. Installed another Oblivion alongside mine, with Oblivion.esm & SI activated, installed OBSE, Elys Uncapper and... It still crashes. Yes, without any other mods.

Well, last thing to try is "?If yes, then delete your copies of OBSE and all OBSE plugins. Redownload them. Install new copies, one at a time, testing power attack in between."

Hope it works.

gtm

EDIT: By the way, how exactly did you go about "Installed another Oblivion alongside mine" ? Installing from disc on two separate drives, or some other way?

gtm