Completely stuck with installation of mods - over 401 esps : IV - Oblivion

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:19 pm

OK, seems like I didn't explain myself clear -- :

1. Moved my Oblivion folder out (whole)
2. "Uninstalled" Oblivion
3. Installed another one to a new folder, with SI and patch
4. Activated: Oblivion.esm, DLCShiveringIsles.esp
5. Installed: OBSE v18 from obse.silverlock.org
6. Installed: Elys' Uncapper v0.98 to /data/obse/plugins/
7. Deleted Oblivion.ini from /my games/oblivion/
8. Started Oblivion up, new game, fast character create, powerattack
9. Crash.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:01 pm

Just trying to get everything clear here:

Did you download fresh copies of OBSE and Elys' Uncapper?
Did you test powerattack before installing OBSE?
Did you test powerattack after installing OBSE but before installing Uncapper?

Thanks,

gtm

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:32 am

1. Yes
2. Yes, no crash
3. Yes, no crash

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:22 am

Well, you've definitely narrowed it down to one particular set of circumstances. So far, that's good troubleshooting. Sadly, I admit I am stumped at this point. I know you asked in the Uncapper thread, but you might try posting in the OBSE thread. Those guys are smart. If I were you I would spell out very clearly the conditions under which this happens, e.g.:

Fresh install of Oblivion plus SI. No crash on powerattack.
Install OBSE. No crash on powerattack.
Install Elys' Uncapper. Crash on powerattack.

I'll be curious to see if they can help you over there. Good luck!

gothemasticator

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:40 pm

When you uninstalled Oblivion, did you delete your entire My Games folder, including the Saves? (You do not have to delete the saves, but at least move them until you have tested thoroughly.)

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:42 pm

I do not have any saves. I didn't delete My Games folder, but besides Oblivion.ini which I renamed to oblivion.ini.old, there's nothing here.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:49 am

There are other INI files in there. Please, just try moving the My Games\Oblivion folder onto the desktop.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:17 am

Still nothing, crash.

However, a very, very important note: I've noticed that it doesn't really rely on powerattack, but holding left mouse button. As you know, when you aren't in 'fighter mode' (turned on by pushing F button), you can also click LMB (left mouse button) to turn it on. But it doesn't attack immidietaly. If you hold LMB while outside fighter mode, it won't enter it AND do powerattack, it'll 1st enter it and you need to stop holding LMB and click to attack or hold LMB again to actually attack/powerattack.

Key part: it's not crashing on powerattack. It's crashing on holding LMB. While outside fighter mode, I holder LMB, the character raised his fists up, but then it crashed. So it isn't powerattack.

Damn, if not our troubleshooting experience, we wouldn't go through this. Later after I play DotA tour game, I need to collect all information I have and repost it in OBSE thread...

Cheers and thank you

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:47 pm

Still nothing, crash.

However, a very, very important note: I've noticed that it doesn't really rely on powerattack, but holding left mouse button. As you know, when you aren't in 'fighter mode' (turned on by pushing F button), you can also click LMB (left mouse button) to turn it on. But it doesn't attack immidietaly. If you hold LMB while outside fighter mode, it won't enter it AND do powerattack, it'll 1st enter it and you need to stop holding LMB and click to attack or hold LMB again to actually attack/powerattack.

Key part: it's not crashing on powerattack. It's crashing on holding LMB. While outside fighter mode, I holder LMB, the character raised his fists up, but then it crashed. So it isn't powerattack.

Damn, if not our troubleshooting experience, we wouldn't go through this. Later after I play DotA tour game, I need to collect all information I have and repost it in OBSE thread...

Cheers and thank you

After the crash, open obse.log and elys_uncapper.log (both in your Oblivion folder) and copy-paste the contents here.
Also, if you are receiving a Windows error message, please post the exception module and offset. These will indicate exactly where the crash is occurring.
You may want to contact whoever (if anyone) is currently maintaining the Uncapper. Elys is long gone.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:16 pm

AFAIK nobody is mantaining the Uncapper. Last update was in 2008.

Anyway, here are logs, elys_uncapper.log doesn't exist though.

Windows CTD message:

Spoiler

  Nazwa zdarzenia problemu:	APPCRASH  Nazwa aplikacji:	Oblivion.exe  Wersja aplikacji:	1.2.0.416  Sygnatura czasowa aplikacji:	462392c7  Nazwa modu?u z b??dem:	StackHash_27c8  Wersja modu?u z b??dem:	0.0.0.0  Sygnatura czasowa modu?u z b??dem:	00000000  Kod wyj?tku:	c0000096  Przesuni?cie wyj?tku:	08000ee4  Wersja systemu operacyjnego:	6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1  Identyfikator ustawień regionalnych:	1045  Dodatkowe informacje 1:	27c8  Dodatkowe informacje 2:	27c8ce5af7a07bedf550bd9c573901b3  Dodatkowe informacje 3:	e56e  Dodatkowe informacje 4:	e56e9cfaf3cd1084b6b4c016d12ce64c

It's in polish but I think you know what it all means.

obse.log:

Spoiler

OBSE: initialize (version = 18.6 010201A0)oblivion root = E:\Program Files\TEMP\plugin directory = E:\Program Files\TEMP\Data\OBSE\Plugins\checking plugin E:\Program Files\TEMP\Data\OBSE\Plugins\\OBSE_Elys_Uncapper.dllplugin E:\Program Files\TEMP\Data\OBSE\Plugins\\OBSE_Elys_Uncapper.dll (00000001 OBSE_Elys_Uncapper 00000062) loaded correctlypatchedDoLoadGameHook: C:\Users\69\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.essloading from C:\Users\69\Documents\My Games\Oblivion\Saves\autosave.obseLoading stringsLoading array variablesOBSE: deinitialize

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:22 am

Elys' uncapper was made quite some time ago, and reached a good stable point, multiple of them, actually. There is no need for anyone to maintain it, really. As was said earlier, we do not often hear of users having trouble with it. This is the first time I have actually dealt with one (or helping with it, anyway...)

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:46 am

Indeed. It's also nothing suprising that nobody is mantaining it, its function is simple, and I'm into computers a bit too, so I personally have no idea what could cause crash in SUCH A SIMPLE PLUGIN.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:07 pm

I cannot remember...is there an INI file with v0.98?

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:22 pm

There's no .ini file.

Aulix, have you tried troubleshooting your hardware? The mouse itself? Maybe switch out mice and test? Have you checked into mouse shortcuts that may be enabled and interrupting the game's function when you hold click-hold the left button?

Other than the above, which is probably a long shot, I'm out of ideas. Sorry.

gothemasticator

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:10 pm

There's no .ini file.

Aulix, have you tried troubleshooting your hardware? The mouse itself? Maybe switch out mice and test? Have you checked into mouse shortcuts that may be enabled and interrupting the game's function when you hold click-hold the left button?

Other than the above, which is probably a long shot, I'm out of ideas. Sorry.

gothemasticator

Actually hotkey mods can cause issues with keyboards. I do not know about mice. There are a couple of Oblivion.ini settings that might be relevant. There is one for background keyboard, and I think there is one for the mouse too. I would also try a clean boot or safe mode or something.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:12 pm

The key part is that I have G5 and never had problems with it. I actually played Oblivion with it, around 1-2 years ago, I don't remember.

Keyboard is so simple that I doubt anything could cause problems.

Besides... This happens ONLY in Oblivion with Elys. There is ini file for 0.98, but there wasn't any for 0.96, and it didn't work either.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:44 pm

Have you tried rolling back OBSE? This is such an odd case...

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:07 pm

Dunno where to download an older version. Also, even so, it won't help us much - after all, most if not all mods require v18+.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:58 am

True, arggh... Power attack... ?? I wonder if this could be an issue with some non-Oblivion part or your setup...?

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:57 am

Um, I wrote already it ain't power attack but holding LMB (not in menu).

Like what?

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:22 am

Um, I wrote already it ain't power attack but holding LMB (not in menu).

Like what?

LMB? Okay, I misspoke, sorry. You've checked your INI settings... Do you have your keys remapped or something? Do you have another program running related to your mouse? Try connecting a simple mouse.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:30 am

Stackhash errors aren't particularly fun, mostly because they don't point to anything in particular, but they do indicate that something is wrong with your system. Brilliant, I know.

To give you an idea of the fun I've had: http://forums.stardock.com/385961.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:22 pm

LMB? Okay, I misspoke, sorry. You've checked your INI settings... Do you have your keys remapped or something? Do you have another program running related to your mouse? Try connecting a simple mouse.

I don't have any keys remapped, I don't have any mouse programs running.

I'll try reinstalling drivers in meanwhile I'm awaiting for scruggy's answer on this case.

Aequitas - I have Win7 x64 and Creative Alchemy supported game too. X-Fi Gamer, to be specific.

» Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:36 pm

I don't have any keys remapped, I don't have any mouse programs running.

I'll try reinstalling drivers in meanwhile I'm awaiting for scruggy's answer on this case.

Aequitas - I have Win7 x64 and Creative Alchemy supported game too. X-Fi Gamer, to be specific.

I have the card and Alchemy, but I am running XP.

» Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:12 am

Still no answer from OBSE creator. Seems like I'm not going to play Oblivion ever. : |