Computer Programming Discussion : Othor Games

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:35 am

eh... could you give me an example?

string.translate("foo > bar > baz", None, ">")

should return

"foo  bar  baz"

.

Translate does two things: it takes the third parameter as a set of characters to delete and deletes these characters from the string,

then it takes the second parameter as a translation table and substitutes the corresponding character from the translation table for each character in the string.

You can avoid the translation step by specifying None for the second parameter.

(Translation tables are a nuisance to use because they have to be 256 characters long and include the control characters from ordinal 0 to 31 and 255. Use regular expressions instead.)

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:08 am

Translation tables are a nuisance to use because they have to be 256 characters long and include the control characters from ordinal 0 to 31 and 255.

I'm not certain they do in Python. For instance, to move all characters over by three to the right:

from string import maketransalphabet = 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz'map = maketrans(alphabet, alphabet[3:] + alphabet[:3])someText = 'abc'translated = someText.translate(map)print translated

Still a bit of a nuisance, mind.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:44 am

Thanks! For a minute there I thought you guys were playing with me because nothing you said worked, but then I realized I was using Python 3.1

I had to modify the code a bit but it all worked eventually ^_^

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:18 pm

So it seems my school finally offers Visual Studio 2010 both Professional and Ultimate. I got both from them and installed Ultimate on my desktop. I looked at http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products and it seems like the stuff in Ultimate I may not use. Would professional be fine then for me if I only used Professional of 2008, or should I just installed Ultimate since I am able?

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:42 pm

So it seems my school finally offers Visual Studio 2010 both Professional and Ultimate. I got both from them and installed Ultimate on my desktop. I looked at http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/en-us/products and it seems like the stuff in Ultimate I may not use. Would professional be fine then for me if I only used Professional of 2008, or should I just installed Ultimate since I am able?

Unless it bogs down your system somehow, may as well go with Ultimate, no? Uses a little extra disc space, but so what?

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:11 am

Unless it bogs down your system somehow, may as well go with Ultimate, no? Uses a little extra disc space, but so what?

Yeah its not much more space. 6gb for Ultimate. Doesn't seemt o use anything extra resource wise as far as I can see comparing to 2008 Professional outside the nromal Microsoft added bloat since it uses WPF supposedly for its interface.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:38 pm

From what it adds the main thing that may be of use is the extra UML stuff :shrug:

The one thing Visual Studio needs is vim keybindings and Linux support. Then I would want for nothing.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:58 am

I just went ahead and installed Ultimate. Who knows, I may use the tools in the future.

Edit- On my Win7 Pro x86 laptop VS2010 Ultimate said it needed 7.2gb but unless I read it wrong (quite possible) on my Win7 Pro x64 desktop it only wanted 6gb. Unless it split somethign across different discs. But again its possible I read it wrong.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:03 pm

where can i download the editor for c? (not c++)

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:28 pm

Huh? Visual Studio Pro and Ultimate? MS went and segmented that product too?

where can i download the editor for c? (not c++)

Is there really a difference? c is technically a subset of c++ and c has no classes. You can just code in a procedural way instead of object oriented. Otherwise it's basically the same and you can build it using the same compilers/linkers. Or, you could use struct's, but never mind..

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:46 pm

where can i download the editor for c? (not c++)

Most C++ IDEs work fine with C and will compile C code with a slight change to their settings.

What platform are you using (Windows?)

Is there really a difference? c is technically a subset of c++ and c has no classes. You can just code in a procedural way instead of object oriented. Otherwise it's basically the same and you can build it using the same compilers/linkers. Or, you could use struct's, but never mind..

It that really true any more? I don't think you can use some features introduces in C99 in C++. Variable length arrays spring to mind (although I will admit that you don't really need to given that the compiled result is probably about the same as using a vector). Not that C99 is very well supported by Microsoft or GCC. If you want compatibility C89 is the way to go.

I think C also has another primitive type (long long?) that C++03 doesn't have, although C++0x may have it. I haven't kept up with the changes.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:52 pm

where can i download the editor for c? (not c++)

http://www.codeblocks.org/. You can tell GCC to enforce any of the C standards, if you want to be sure your code is free of C++-isms.

If you want a Windows-only tool, http://www.microsoft.com/express/windows/. But it does not handle C99 syntax (Microsoft's explanation is that there is little demand for it, but there are uncharitable souls who believe Microsoft did this to make code written for GCC not portable to Visual Studio).

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:38 pm

http://www.codeblocks.org/. You can tell GCC to enforce any of the C standards, if you want to be sure your code is free of C++-isms.

http://netbeans.org/features/cpp/index.html and (I think) Eclipse are also viable alternatives to Code::Blocks

If you are using windows, Visual Studio is one of the best IDEs I have ever used.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:39 pm

http://netbeans.org/features/cpp/index.html and (I think) Eclipse are also viable alternatives to Code::Blocks

If you are using windows, Visual Studio is one of the best IDEs I have ever used.

Netbeans is good for C and C++. Eclipse is harder to install for C and C++, with lots of ways you can shoot yourself in the foot. A choice between these two depends on your preference more than anything else.

Code::Blocks is lightweight and will run better on machines that aren't strong enough to handle damned big Java apps.

If you are developing on Windows, for Windows, and don't have portability concerns, Visual Studio is still the best.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:08 pm

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» Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:39 pm

I have an application done in either Borland C++ 3 or 5. Current application development and UI design is done with Visual Studio 2008. How difficult would it be to convert from Borland to VS? Language stays the same, C++, but I'm worried about all the UI stuff even if I could just recreate the project files in VS by adding files into a new project. Then what about all the bugs and inconsistencies in Borland compiler? Everything has to be retested.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:06 pm

I have an application done in either Borland C++ 3 or 5. Current application development and UI design is done with Visual Studio 2008. How difficult would it be to convert from Borland to VS? Language stays the same, C++, but I'm worried about all the UI stuff even if I could just recreate the project files in VS by adding files into a new project. Then what about all the bugs and inconsistencies in Borland compiler? Everything has to be retested.

It depends on how much Borland proprietary stuff (OWL, VCL) the old BC++ code uses. If it's straight C++ or depends only on the Win32 API, it should be no problem to port. If it makes heavy use of OWL or VCL, you may be looking at a rewrite.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:22 pm

It depends on how much Borland proprietary stuff (OWL, VCL) the old BC++ code uses. If it's straight C++ or depends only on the Win32 API, it should be no problem to port. If it makes heavy use of OWL or VCL, you may be looking at a rewrite.

I'm afraid it might use the proprietary stuff quite heavily, seeing that it has graphical user interfaces made for just this application, and it was not developed with portability in mind.. However, I don't exactly know what OWL and VCL consist of, but I'm assuming they are similar to MFC, that was used in the VS projects over the Win32 API (and now also .NET). I'm still quite lost on all the terminology and abbreviations though. I used to develop for Unix after all..

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:21 pm

I'm afraid it might use the proprietary stuff quite heavily, seeing that it has graphical user interfaces made for just this application, and it was not developed with portability in mind.. However, I don't exactly know what OWL and VCL consist of, but I'm assuming they are similar to MFC, that was used in the VS projects over the Win32 API (and now also .NET). I'm still quite lost on all the terminology and abbreviations though. I used to develop for Unix after all..

OWL and VCL were proprietary Borland libraries. OWL = Object Windows Library; VCL = Visual Component Library. They are obsolete (discontinued 1999) and have little to nothing in common with the visual components and program structure to support them that Microsoft uses.

Classes from these libraries are fairly easy to recognize because most of them begin with "T" and tend to have ancestor classes like TWindow and TObject.

You may be able to port OWL applications by using http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/owlnext/index.php?title=Main_Page.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:59 pm

I'm bored

give me a problem to solve

or an idea for a small application

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:46 pm

I'm bored

give me a problem to solve

or an idea for a small application

Implement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:38 pm

Implement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life.

I will most likely make a game of life myself this summer as a project for an old course in C#. Either that or a Paint copy.

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:49 pm

Implement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life.

uhm... nooo?

How about something for an amateur programmer?

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:51 pm

uhm... nooo?

How about something for an amateur programmer?

Batch file renamer?
ID3 tag editor?

» Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:19 pm

uhm... nooo?

How about something for an amateur programmer?

Hello World?

Make an advanced calculator.(Calculates root, power, sin, cos and so on).