Or maybe I want a blend of both so that they don't feel alien even if you compare them to MW and OB? If argonians for example would be pinkish in Skyrim, it would feel alien, but if they have a color that is a blend of both MW and OB it wouldn't feel alien when you compare how they look in MW and OB. See?

Color aside, I'm more concerned about Redguards having less intelligence than other races. I hope they got rid of that for Skyrim- I think that's such a horrible stereotype.

It was same as the Nords irc

Yeah, and Nords and Orcs too, I mean I just can't stand that they broadly paint them as forever dumb entities, and that their representation in the base stats of a fantasy RPG so overshadows any common-sense understanding that intelligence is not in fact a strict racial trait.

It was the same for all fighting races (nord, redguard, and orc). Female orcs is the odd women out, as they ended up having 40 intelligence (10 more than the other fighting races, and average for everyone else), making themselves for of a battlemage race than anyone else of the fighter races.

Yeah, but he still has European facial features. Maybe he's mixed: redguard and Nord. (Tiger Woods "Where da white women at?")

Well, there is a lot of people in real life with the skin really black, not dark brown, just black. This is the case of most of the people from Senegal I had meet. There is a lot of variation in human skin. Definitelly Morrowind Redguard's skin wasn't too dark.

In the game it is. Also the races are different species, and different species have all around differences. Nords or Redguards having less intelligence is not a stereotype. It is a game mechanic. They are warrior races and to reflect this they have increased strength and endurance or whatever. To balance this they get less intelligence. Deal with it, the only way people will stop whining is if they make all the races the same.

Nothing is stopping anyone from making a black Imperial or Breton, so if you want a smart black guy, make one of those.

You missed the sarcasm in the post, soldier. I'm in agreement with you.

I must apologize then my good sir. I've seen very similar arguments made in complete seriousness many times.

I made that point specifically because of:

The whole issue is immensely tedious and I'm plain sick and tired of it. It would've been nice if Beth's inclusion of a Nirnian race that is clearly based on a human race had served to counter some of the tired old garbage surrounding the whole idea of "race" being significant, but if anything, it seems to have encouraged it. It's not enough to simply have a race in the game that bears some resemblance to human "blacks" - they're expected to correspond with all of the shallow stereotypes that drive the whole pointless "issue" in the first place.

Better, to my mind, if we could just set aside the whole idea and treat Redguards as what they really are - an alien race that just happens to share some superficial traits with a human "race."

And yeah - there's no hope of that, really, but I had to get it out anyway.....

You're really begging it if you don't think the bretons, imperials, nords and redguards are based on humans.. at the very start of the game the dunmer in the cell opposite you will call you a human.

Really, people just need to grow up and get on with it. The redguard and nords aren't stupid because of stereotypes, they're stupid because of balancing. It is still VERY possible to make the warrior races into successful mages with no problem if that's what you want.

I've seen a screenshot of a woman in a bar and in the backround you can see a black person so maybe

This comes up again and again.


Race is about gameplay differences that allow for more playthroughs and more interesting gameplay.

Reguards and nords are the early elder scrolls ONLY true humans and both were warrior races.

Bretons arnt human they are halfelves. They are only concidered human because they mostly still look human.

Imperials didnt show up in elder scrolls till later and are clearly romans/brits as in empire types and are clearly discussed as being neonordic as is from nords. Basicaly city nords.


As for what redguards are patterned after... ivory coast pirates is most likely.

Hasn't BGS already said what each race was inspired by already? I could have sword they have, but I may be wrong. But I asked Pete myself via twitter if the guy in ehind the bar in the GI screenshot was our first look at Redguards, to which he said no. Apparently he got more questions after mine because he eventually said something along the lines of "Oh THAT guy, I really need to stop checking Twitter on my phone I completely missed one half of the screen. Could be a Redguard."

I have no idea what people are arguing about now but this was to hopefully shed light on the question asked by the OP.

Kind of a random assumption.

I like their Yokudan spirit-sword warrior-wave ancestry better.
In fact, as an aside, this thread makes me want to read http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-vivecs-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless again.

Not realy random at all.. if you read up on ivory coast pirates and how they were viewed back way back you see alot that is what redguards are described as.

Come on guys. The redguards are pretty much BA samurai, with swordskills so legendary, they made a sword technique that allows them to create lightsabers and able to cut through atoms, causing a nuclear explosion. Hell, that was how Yokuda sank, it was Anusai (the most powerful of the powerful swordsmen) decided that irreparable damage had been done on Yokuda, and the only way to fix it was to unleash that nuke technique.

Okay, maybe you mean Barbary Coast pirates?

Mmmm, gotta love us some pankratosword. One of the things I totally want to see onscreen in some form someday.

Well I was trying to avoid using that term as some realy find it offensive...

How would it be offensive? That's like saying the French would take offense to being French... Well bad example. Anyway, Barbary doesn't refer to barbarism, it refers to the people of the area. And the just because the Ivory Coast is in Africa, doesn't mean you can use it as a stand in for an entirely different part of the continent. You should probably study the subject a bit.

Yeah I've read that book, and I have one thing to say



FF Vivec :brokencomputer:

What's wrong with being high yellow huh? J/K