Meh. You're ignoring the obvious. You were talking to yourself.

Whoa, interesting . . . .

Trust Proweler to give me more insight.

No no no no no.

Ken made up the word. I then took it and went all Al Gore and turned it into the internet.

Though, really, if you read through the Intercept stuff, I really predicted Mind Twitter.

Cuz I'm a Jesus an' all.

I still can't figure out where people get all this "Cult of MK" nonsense from... ^_^

I believe it is derived from how it can seem like many of the Lore Forum regulars (in particular the TIL regulars) treat MK's writings as infallible and absolute truth above everything else. I'm not saying they necessarily do, but it can seem like that.

Edit: I'm not necessarily saying that they're incorrect either, I'm just addressing the disagreements that exist due to TES's lack of clearly defined canon.

Edit: Just disregard this if you were kidding/being sarcastic.

In D&D that word refers to becoming a Lich, but I suppose that's not what tis normally sued for in TES.



They died, and thus failed, and thus couldn't be Nerevar. Only the one that fulfills the prophecy is Nerevar. With so many guys failing, one's bound to succeed and then one has to wonder if the whole thing isn't just a lie.

There you go...

They weren't 'false', just 'failed' - they were incarnates nonetheless. As for it being a lie, of course Azura alone isn't to be trusted, but when everybody and their grandma agree despite conflicting interests (including Vivec, Dagoth Ur, Almalexia, etc along with Azura) then its a little harder to doubt. Also, manteling is tricky business, and becoming the Nerevarine is just as much about manteling as it is prophecy, its only natural that there'd be some that wouldn't get it just right...

Right. If the fail, then they haven't completed the prophecy, thus cannot enter the role of Nerevarine and mantle Nerevar and thus are false.

So...was the eventual Nerevarine in fact Nerevar back from the Dreamsleeve? And were the others simply marked by the prophecy but predestined to fail? I'm confused...

Nu-Hatta says that you are, of course its really up to you to decide (ie, the choice you're given when you confront Dagoth Ur and he asks you "Are you really Nerevar Reborn?"). The others weren't necessarily predestined to fail, they just happened to have. You might think of them like previous characters of yours that died during the Main Quest...

No, failing to mantle Nerevar doesn't make them any less of an incarnate - that's what the 'failed'/'false' refers to. They were incarnates entering the role of the Nerevarine that didn't succeed, whereas 'false' would imply that they simply weren't an incarnate (and actually sorta implies that they fulfilled the role along with not being an incarnate, which they didn't).

Good to see MK post again, though.

I think proweler and luagar2 are right -- the failed incarnates were incarnations of Nerevar just as much as the player character is; for whatever reason, they couldn't put all the skills together to become Hortator until the current model. As someone posted, it's like when you're trying out different characters when playing MW or OB.

nevermind

I never had any doubt, baby

Well so-rry that I don't memorize all your quotes to perfection, Master. At least I remembered the gist of it.

Oh God please forgive me I'll do anything to make it up to you.

Oh and Mind Twitter as a method of governance should be adopted by real-life nations worldwide. Just sayin'.

AP, it's MK's world; we just get to play in it.

(No disrespect intended to anyone.)

Not that this thread needs MORE picking apart of minutiae, but can the word mantle be used here? Certainly, Nerevar had certain qualities to him that the Nerevarine also did, namely that he unified the Mer of Morrowind, before becoming Nerevarine, but the prophecies or histories didn't say that Nerevar was immune to age or disease, cursed by House Dagoth, etc, etc. If anything, the hero mantled the Nerevarine, but was the first to do it and so he was more setting precedent than mantling a personality. Hence why I favor using the terms reincarnation and fulfilling prophecy.

I agree; mantling doesn't enter into the case of the Nerevarine at all; only reincarnation. You mantle gods, not heroes.

its from a signature, Lyconthropic Nerevar's, if i recall correctly. its spelled Kult of Kirkbride, btw.

tam! RUGH!

(...was that uncalled for ? yea, it probably was :poke:)

WE ARE VERY DISAPPOINTED AT YOUR PERFORMANCE LADY N WE WILL DISCUSS YOUR PUNISHMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING OF THE SHADOWY FORUM CLIQUE^TM AND CORRECTIONAL MEASURES WILL BE TAKEN

That its only reincarnation lines up with Nu-Hatta's statements, however we know there is more to it than just that due to the Wise-Woman's statement that "you are not the Nerevarine, but you are one who may become the Nerevarine" - suggesting that the you have to fulfill prophecy and follow in Nerevar's footsteps.

Unless of course you argue that its only at a certain point that the character is endowed with the spirit of Nerevar...

Yes, I know, it was a sarcastic statement directed towards his statement that he's Jesus...

Sorely abused by grasping fools who barely understand its function or purpose. As our intercepts show, the stiff-necked academicians of the Imperial College have learned to use it at last - and yet so many of them still doubt that which it necessitates and proves! That we may all be so blissfully ignorant of the obvious truth.

Tam! RUGH!