Confused by Dragon History

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:50 pm

Which book? "The Dragon War"? Or a different one? Sorry, I'm a bit confused on your wording. The http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Language and http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Alphabet can be found at UESP.

Because I have way too much time on my hands, I've actually been going around trying to translate each WordWall. I've been planning to make to make a thread about this, as it's off topic to this one, but haven't gotten around to it.

Here's what I got for Mount Anthor:

HET NOK KOPRaaN DO IGLIF iiZ-SOS WO GRIND OK OBLaaN NI KO MOROKei VUKeiN NUZ ahST MUNAX HaaLVUT DO LiiV KRASaaR

Here lies [the] body of Iglif Ice-Blood, who met his end not in glorious combat, but at [the] cruel touch of [the] wither[ing] sickness.

I was actually struggling with the translation until I stumbled onto it in a book titled http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-dragon-language-myth-no-more. Convenient, right?

And the court wizard believes the war happened in the first era? That's... frustrating if it's true. The timeline wouldn't make any sense. It'd have to be late Merethic at least.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:35 am

I just wonder why the elves were so mystified (well, 'mystified' is a bit of hyperbole). Surely there are plenty of Altmer still around who witnessed the First Era first hand? Or are only one or two generations removed?

I don't know, maybe I'm overblowing it. After all, the major question that puzzled them was why the dragons were returning, if I remember the dossier correctly.

Still, I'm disappointed in you, Altmer. You of all races should have seen this coming. :nono:

And, Wolf Redeemer, I'm glad someone got around to translating the walls. I briefly went through the dragon names, but I couldn't find the time to go through all the walls. Thought I did take screenshots of every one I cam across. Are they mostly just epitaphs, as Dragon Language: Myth No More describes?

Anyway, the biggest thing I got out of the book was this:
Fahliil


Nafaalilargus has just been reaffirmed by the new dragon lore. YES! :mohawk: <- overstatement.

As for his name... Fury...elves...??? ...maybe?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:48 pm

I'm still confused over how this relates to the Tiger Dragon Empire (Ka Po' Tun) of Akavir.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:01 pm

It has nothing to do with Akavir, other than some snakemen were looking for Reman. A good rule of thumb with Akavir is to assume nothing, and just take what's presented. It'll save you a lot of far reaching headaches.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:38 pm

Nafaalilargus has just been reaffirmed by the new dragon lore. YES! :mohawk: <- overstatement.

I thought the Atlas of Dragons mentioned Nafaalilargus, actually:
Nahfahlaar - Repeated alliances with mortal protectors which have prevented his elimination. His last known protector was the King Casimir II of Wayrest, which the Dragonguard successfully ended in 2E 369. He escaped and current location is unknown.
His name would mean Fury For [Living?]. Can't find Laar on any dictionary, but apparently Laas means life :P
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:30 am

Which book? "The Dragon War"? Or a different one? Sorry, I'm a bit confused on your wording. The http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Language and http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Alphabet can be found at UESP.

The book that the court wizard is examining immediately before the first dragon fight in the MQ.

I'll go look for its name in a little while.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:56 pm

I just wonder why the elves were so mystified (well, 'mystified' is a bit of hyperbole). Surely there are plenty of Altmer still around who witnessed the First Era first hand? Or are only one or two generations removed?

I don't know, maybe I'm overblowing it. After all, the major question that puzzled them was why the dragons were returning, if I remember the dossier correctly.

There are only four elves known to have survived from the 1st era into the the third, and none of them have been shown to be alive during the fourth.

They are:

Almalexia

Sotha Sil

Vivec

Divayth Fyr.

Altmer, have, at best, been suggested to have the potential to live for 1000 years, (most probably don't) the early parts of the first era were over 4000 years ago.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:03 pm

Another thing to consider is the reach of the Dragon's dominion.

Why would Alduin settle with merely enslaving the Nords? Alduin the World-Eater! His appetite should not be sated with the consumption of a bunch of hairy proto-nords in the extremities of the continent.

Alduin should represent some sort of the threat to all - man and mer alike. Unless the Mer believe that after he eats the world the elves will finally return to et'eda forums..(in which case the elves should be in total love with him and be acting as super-dragon priests)

Otherwise, Alduin's dominion - unless incredibly short - should have sought to enslave all Nirn.


I have to agree that the history does feel a bit muddled. I like the idea of it being somewhere in those lost 13 generations - but you also have to remember that the Akaviri invaders are the ones who helped turn the tide against the dragons..so that invasion also has to be evident in the history..
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:58 pm

Another thing to consider is the reach of the Dragon's dominion.

Why would Alduin settle with merely enslaving the Nords? Alduin the World-Eater! His appetite should not be sated with the consumption of a bunch of hairy proto-nords in the extremities of the continent.

Alduin should represent some sort of the threat to all - man and mer alike. Unless the Mer believe that after he eats the world the elves will finally return to et'eda forums..(in which case the elves should be in total love with him and be acting as super-dragon priests)

Otherwise, Alduin's dominion - unless incredibly short - should have sought to enslave all Nirn.


I have to agree that the history does feel a bit muddled. I like the idea of it being somewhere in those lost 13 generations - but you also have to remember that the Akaviri invaders are the ones who helped turn the tide against the dragons..so that invasion also has to be evident in the history..

It seems like they wrote the new dragon lore with only Skyrim in mind for some reason. Why would the dragons stop, as you said, with Skyrim? Do they have a special attachment with men?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:29 am

Why would Alduin settle with merely enslaving the Nords? Alduin the World-Eater! His appetite should not be sated with the consumption of a bunch of hairy proto-nords in the extremities of the continent.

Which is why I said (I guess in another thread) that I think what we see in-game is just Alduin's warm-up act, we stop him before he ever even starts to get the ball rolling. He hasn't started the world-eater part of his plan, he's hardly even implemented the nord-eater part of it; he hasn't even finished waking up his kin before we stick a sword in his face.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:09 pm

Because I have way too much time on my hands, I've actually been going around trying to translate each WordWall. I've been planning to make to make a thread about this, as it's off topic to this one, but haven't gotten around to it.

Talking about too much time ...
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1297956-word-walls-translated/page__p__19546391#entry19546391
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:49 pm

Talking about too much time ...
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1297956-word-walls-translated/page__p__19546391#entry19546391

Brilliant work! I've been hoping someone would do that.

I'm intrigued by
"Brothi raised (this) stone in memory of his son
Odrav Anvil-Hand
bring much honor to
Clan Red-Mountain"
Clan Red-Mountain? Wonder if that carries any implications towards the expansiveness of the early nords.

Oh, and @Wolf Redeemer, the book I mentioned that the court wizard of Whiterun is examining is titled "The Holds of Jarl (something-or-other)".
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:04 am

There are only four elves known to have survived from the 1st era into the the third, and none of them have been shown to be alive during the fourth.

They are:

Almalexia

Sotha Sil

Vivec

Divayth Fyr.

Altmer, have, at best, been suggested to have the potential to live for 1000 years, (most probably don't) the early parts of the first era were over 4000 years ago.


You can be sure Divayth will have survived and Vehk has promised to return.
Some Altmer have achieved apotheosis, notably Phynaster and Mannimarco.

On the notion of the dawn time and the first era though, who's first era?
The dawn is basically Anu, or its smaller-mirror-brother, it is all the 'yes' in one place.
Maybe different paths go from that one shining positive, maybe the dragons fought Ysgamor in a first era that is not the first era of the Elder Scrolls games.
Alduin was banished from time, unbound.
Maybe he was banished so hard he not only went forward, but also sideways.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:59 pm

I think this Dragon War stuff was Bethesda attempting to bring to Skyrim what the Battle of Red Mountain was to Morrowind. An epic battle that happened in the past... but is just feels so forced. If they didn't want to get involved in the Dawn Era, then they should have Wulfharth's defeat of Alduin (how did that even happen, now? Did he get banished even further? Different Alduin?) as the great battle with Alduin. If they were scared of the meta stuff, then the Civil War should have been the MQ (with MQ style quests instead "Capture the Fort!") because it was written much better, and shows more about the culture of Skyrim.
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