» Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:57 am
It'd be nice to start a semi-permanent thread to contain these things. Reading the books that have just been uploaded to TIL I stumbled across this:
"- Saint Nerevar the Captain is the patron saint of House Redoran."
Why is Indoril Nerevar, the Patriarch of House Indoril, the Patron of another house?
» Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:07 am
Turns out his real name is Redoran Nerevar
» Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:32 am
Serjo Indoril Nerevar Mora
Maybe Mora was a minor House connected to Redoran and Indoril was simply because of Almalexia.
» Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:31 pm
It does seem like a bit of an oversight. However, there's also no well-known saint that suits House Redoran better. The problem is just that Nerevar's already Indoril. I'm guessing the reason he gets heaped in with Redoran in this text is because the three playable Great Houses of Vvardenfell get especial attention in the writing, hence Redoran as the most Temple-focused of the familiar Great Houses gets associated with Nerevar.
"Saint Nerevar the Captain" could be, perhaps, a title intended to identify Nerevar as seen in a certain light. As captain, he is Redoran; as Khan, he is a Hlaalu; as the great warrior and heir to Veloth, he is an Indoril; and so on.
Alternatively, if you find it interesting, you could handwave it away by saying that history changes. But then, we have sufficient weight of literature to assume that Nerevar has been associated with Indoril for some time.
» Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:06 pm
Hmm. I wouldn't mind hearing about Nerevar the Telvanni.
» Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:15 pm
» Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:43 pm
Bosmer worshipping Arkay and Xarxes is directly drawn from Varieties of Faith. As far as I can tell, Lady Cinnabar wishes to confirm a theory essentially stating what most of us believe about the Cyrodiilic pantheon: that all the Cyrodiilic Eight draw from both Elven and Nordic deities (and maybe a few other mannish and beastfolk superstitions here and there). She's not concluding they're one and the same, as that would be basically the elven viewpoint of the matter; rather that Arkay is the most obviously syncretic of the three.
Orkey she presumably is considering as the closest Nordic equivalent to Arkay. She might not be totally familiar with the intricacies of their belief, and the differences between Cyrodiilic, Breton and Nordic death-god traditions; on the other hand, being pre-Third Era she may have knowledge of earlier Orkey beliefs, or significantly different, than we normally consider. A third possibility for the use of Orkey as an influence on Arkay, despite their differences, may be because Shor, the most prominent Nordic psychopomp, is of course Missing in Cyrodiil. Any influence Shezarr might have had on the Eight is now erased, or forgotten.
What I do like about this text is the consideration of Xarxes as an inspiration for Arkay by showing the "recording" of life as a form of passing on, immortality through written knowledge and all that. The scribe is a psychopomp because the spiritual realm is that of thought, maybe. And the Ancestors live in memory, not unlike how Sovngarde functions to the Nords. I'd like to see how the funereal beliefs of Altmer were filtered through Ayleids in order to find their way into the more conventional Arkay.
(on that Great Houses text linked earlier: there's http://esohead.com/books/2363-great-house-mottos-annotated annotated by Sotha Sil himself which may be of interest. I assume it has relevance to some Ebonheart quest or other.)
» Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:01 pm
I actually think that makes a lot of sense. The ancient greeks did this; all the gods had many different roles and aspects. Also, as Hortator, I think Nerevar technically was in/in charge of ALL the houses. This gives much food for thought.
To clarify: this isn't meant to be a thread to bash ESO. It's meant to anolyze new information and reconcile/understand it with the context of the existing information.
