Conjuring gold : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:35 pm

Doesn't it seem weird that if you can use magic to conjure up weapons and shields, which are made of metal, why you can't conjure gold? Gold is a soft metal as opposed to steel or iron. I know perfectly well that it would ruin the game if you could just use your "Bound gold coins" spell all the time. But in terms of lore and fictional story telling, there's no reason why you couldn't use magic to create gold, right?

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:02 pm

Conjuration summons daedra; even the items summoned are daedra bound into the shape of armor or weapons. Even if they could summon coins, they would probably look like they were made of the same material as daedric weapons, and thus unlikely to fool anyone.

Besides, you'd probably have a hard time getting merchants to sell to you after the spell ends and the coins dissolve. I imagine that word of a mage pulling that trick would spread quickly in the typical town.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:36 pm

Huh? Where did you read that they are bound by daedra? And who is "they" in "they could summon coins"?

» Sun May 29, 2011 3:57 am

Huh? Where did you read that they are bound by daedra? And who is "they" in "they could summon coins"?

'They', as in 'mages using conjuration'

Here's also a relevant passage on bound items from the in-game book, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/darkest_darkness.shtml:

"Likewise, lesser entities bound by their Daedra Lords into weapons and armor may be summoned for brief periods, or may persist indefinitely, so long as they are not destroyed and banished. The class of bound weapons and bound armors summoned by Temple followers and conjurors are examples of short-term bindings; Daedric artifacts like Mehrunes Razor and the Mask of Clavicus Vile are examples of long-term bindings."

» Sun May 29, 2011 4:00 am

Well according to that one Ionith book, battlemages can summon water for drinking... I don't think conjuration is limited to Daedra and Daedra stuff..

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:24 pm

It's not, however it doesn't make stuff appear from no where. WHen you summon a Dremora -- for example -- You take a dremora out of where ever it is and have it fight for you. A master of conjuratin could perhaps become a very good theif, however.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:09 pm

'They', as in 'mages using conjuration'

Here's also a relevant passage on bound items from the in-game book, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/darkest_darkness.shtml:

"Likewise, lesser entities bound by their Daedra Lords into weapons and armor may be summoned for brief periods, or may persist indefinitely, so long as they are not destroyed and banished. The class of bound weapons and bound armors summoned by Temple followers and conjurors are examples of short-term bindings; Daedric artifacts like Mehrunes Razor and the Mask of Clavicus Vile are examples of long-term bindings."

So what's a lesser entity then? You mean, like, if you summon a daedroth or something, it appears in the shape of armor or a weapon?

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:09 pm

Think even lesser than that. These are spirits who likely are on par with a scamp or other creature of similar strength and intelligence.

Although if we want to continue this conversation, what about Alteration? Could you alter other metal into gold? Or Illusion. Could you make it look like the iron ingot you have is really a gold septim? And would it be mana effective enough for hundreds and hundreds before the duration runs out?

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:18 pm

It's doable. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Mehrunes_Razor#Other

Casting Transmute Mineral on iron ore turns it into a silver nugget, transmuting that makes it a gold nugget, and transmuting that turns it into cold, hard cash.

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:34 am

King Orgnum's Coffer in Arena was able to make gold for the Eternal Champion but how it did this is not made clear, whether it was through conjuration, transmutation or some other form of magika.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:12 pm

King Orgnum's Coffer in Arena was able to make gold for the Eternal Champion but how it did this is not made clear, whether it was through conjuration, transmutation or some other form of magika.

Moneymancy.

Anyway I don't see why not. Just don't break the first law of thermodynamics.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:32 pm

Moneymancy.

Anyway I don't see why not. Just don't break the first law of thermodynamics.

The internal energy of an isolated system is constant?

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:04 pm

The internal energy of an isolated system is constant?

Yea. So you can't make gold out of nothing as a result of that, what ever you're going to make it off will soon be the de-facto currency.

Did I mention the next game is going to be set at the end of the fifth Era: High Rock: The Stock Market Crisis.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:56 pm

Yea. So you can't make gold out of nothing as a result of that, what ever you're going to make it off will soon be the de-facto currency.

Did I mention the next game is going to be set at the end of the fifth Era: High Rock: The Stock Market Crisis.

With the boss being hyperinflation, who then morphs into stagflation?

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:37 pm

Moneymancy.

Anyway I don't see why not. Just don't break the first law of thermodynamics.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So you're saying a super duper powerful sorcerer can't create gold coins out of thin air? Not even a powerful Psijic? I mean, you're creating fire with magic, i.e. fireballs, etc...

You're saying that a person could summon the miniscule spirits from any daedric realm and if he knew how, could have it appear as gold coins (septims) for a certain amount of time?

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:45 am

Psijics can summon as much gold as they like because the austrian libertarian god was [censored] by molag bal.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:20 pm

Austria is not part of the TES world, though. :nono:

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:18 pm

It is a silly place :twirl:

» Sun May 29, 2011 3:35 am

It is a silly place :twirl:

I thought that was Camelot.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:43 pm

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So you're saying a super duper powerful sorcerer can't create gold coins out of thin air? Not even a powerful Psijic? I mean, you're creating fire with magic, i.e. fireballs, etc...

Exactly.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:07 pm

Well I'd say I found my answer, which is yes, you most certainly could conjure practically anything with magic, including gold coins, given that the character had enough magic and was intelligent enough to know how. After all, this is a make-believe fantasy world.

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:45 am

Magic is a constant raw material that falls from the sky. It even comes in a condensed form too, known as Welkyn and Varla stones.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:56 pm

You could -- in theory -- re arange the Atmos (Atoms) of almost anything, including air, and by changing the number of protons in the nucleus, make it into gold. on earth, it would cost more money in terms of electrical power to do than the gold's value, but on Nirn...Magic outweighs electricity because it would be free.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:21 pm

I'm going to be a turd in the punch bowl and ask what magic is made out of. lol Let's see you guys answer that one. And don't say "a child's laughter" or something. :lol:

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:46 pm

I'm going to be a turd in the punch bowl and ask what magic is made out of. lol Let's see you guys answer that one. And don't say "a child's laughter" or something. :lol:

If you ask the chemist in me, raw potential energy. Thankfully not the WH kind, because that mutates you into really, really, really awesome creatures and demons of chaos, and they're all undeserving of such gifts from the four brothers, particular Nurgle and Khorne!

Otherwise, pixie farts.