I can understand but in this society we need to take position. You can count them as a bunch of childish people but this is not the reality. They take command, they infest every place and it seems that the disrespectful, insulting attitude its the only one valid to grow high and sane. Sorry but not for me. Also respectful people at well known webs follows the same direction but put in best words. Who we are to have any opinion about things in which we occupied hundreds of hours in some cases?
I want to take position and follow my own criteria. I dont want to feed this bad-mannered people.

Well, I've never heard of a youtube comment section on any video that is not full of trolls. Hardly the best place to look for any comments regarding this.

Same old Povuholo. Isn't a Youtube problem, its only a mass place and then you can get a mass of examples of this attitude. We have readed this exact in a italian development page home of very active modders time ago, the worse right now its that there are respectful pages echoing this thing and you can read at his forums how the modders are insane people. We must live with that for sure but I must take action.

But well, Im making a new mistake, please stop this conversation, I dont want to destabilize the forums with more foolish ideas. Sorry

I'm sorry for the vast amount of negative unproductive critism that you 'modders' sadly are subject to, there is also apperently a great disregard for copyrights (textures created using independant tools are not, from my understanding, subject to the clause in the EULA that waives your copyright). So that some persons demand that these are to be shared without the authors prior consent is quite preposterous.

While your decision to withold your 'mods' from the public will greatly hamper my chances of using them I completely understand your reasoning, my hope is however that you'll reconsider and allow us to use your great work in our 'Morrowind' installations.

Whatever your decision may be I wish you good luck on your future 'modding' endavours and say that I've greatly enjoyed your past work.

Regards

TM

Well, this only affects how i must do things in the future, perhaps it implies a bit more work to make the mod reach only the people i want. But well, i will continue enjoying the modding time, this has not changed at all :celebration: . Only that i want to change directions taking in consideration the current events.
Its not about which people I want to share my mod, its about the people I DONT want to share my mod, plain. I dont think you must be worried about your chances to get the mod, it never will be a blacklisting thing or something rare here. Im a insane modder but not so insane :spotted owl:

haha, i love this. i have some space in my sig left :hehe:

:facepalm: those whining idiots are are us who are making those bloody mods. ( yeah, yeah, I know, I'm talking about our comunity, not myself )
Unfortunately that kind of respect can be maintained only in a smaller comunity- like ours, places like youtube or [censored] are simply madness and places I avoid for that reason (example being- I can't visit any rock song video without seeing insults towards that Justin kid). The only thing I'm afraid of is that our forums get raided by such members, and lately it seems like those kind of people are slowly joining along.

I just hope that I myself can get my hands on this complete re-texture once you release it connary. Those kids be damned! Your textures are the only ones that stay so true to the game and yet bring new life to it that I even want to bother with using. An un-modified Morrowind (texture wise) is certainly going to look out of place with Province: Cyrodiil (hopefully we can really get this thing off the ground soon) and Skyrim; Home of the Nords (steaming towards its first release ) and your textures are the only ones that I can live with as they stay true to what Morrowind is supposed to look like. Good luck to you in finishing this mod and good luck to those of us in the community that are awaiting this mod for our own use, it would be a sad day indeed to find out that I could not use your work in my Morrowind. I would cry for many days, nay weeks, nay months!

Haha, anyway good luck on completing this great work connary I look forward to seeing your finished product and my fingers will be crossed that I will be lucky enough to get a copy for my Morrowind.

Connary => Did you envisage to integrate the meshes of the mod http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7459?
Or at least to integrate the meshes of the ropes?
Because :bowdown: =>
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4019/mgescreenshot2a.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4259/mgescreenshot3r.jpg
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/5389/mgescreenshot1a.jpg

That would be another nice touch, some mesh improvements would be nice for my game as well It's exciting what we can accomplish with Morrowind these days. All of Tamriel may be built one day for this engine (which we may be playing on the open source OpenMW engine) and it will be a high resolution game with improved meshes and glitch fixes (MPP, MCP) and improved graphics and scripting abilities (MGE and MWSE). This game will thrive forever I think. It is the best of TES and our community is the best around.

At this rate, all of Tamriel will be completed and MW will be the largest game in existance. With the addition of TR to MW, that already makes the game probably close to 200 hours to do everything(I mean everything), adding in the rest of Tamriel makes it a "serious" commitment when you say you are starting a new game. haha

As for connary, you will always find idiots who have to complain about something. You have recognition from people that you have done good work though, something they will likely never have.

You can feel the high definition. I have to tell you, the menu buttons are separate textures with three states (menu_newgame.dds, menu_newgame_over.dds and menu_newgame_pressed.dds) AND some buttons are different widths in English / French / German edition. Don't go crazy, but just a warning maybe buttons will stretch depending on language setting.

example: for the French's version, the button Credits are in 128x64

And the MCP permits double width buttons or something doesn't it?

A rather simple way to share the textures with only the people you want (and trust not to redistribute the mod) is doing it via PMs sending the link to a private file share service (with password encrypted RARs) and have it up for a limited time. Some communities have done that aproach and it work relatively well

:yes:

I concur!

So...
Those of us that have been waiting patiently for over a year for this mod are now out of luck because a couple of kids were obnoxious on youtube?

That's hardly reasonable, connary.

Let me tell you a story:
About seven years ago, I created a very large mod for another game that shall remain nameless (PM me if you really must know.) It was the first of its kind. I put in about 8 hours of work a day on it and did a public release every month or so.

One day, some kid contacted me and asked me how to modify various things in it for his own "personal use." I held his hand and answered his questions for about a month. He then created a rather public thread about it and put me on the spot by saying that he'd release his changes to my mod if I gave him permission. There was much whining and complaining, so against my better judgment I allowed him to release it, but only under the condition that it was to be a one time thing. I expected that to be the end of it because, frankly, he'd butchered my work and created something rather stupid from it.

But it wasn't a one time thing, because he decided to continue "development" against my wishes (if you can call it that: he introduced so many bugs and broke so many scripts that the screen was never free of error messages.)
He then turned on me and my contributors, very publicly mocking our work while literally stealing code from every release I did and copy/pasting it into his version. He caused a pretty deep rift in the modding community, particularly among those that had contributed the most. He began to take what he wanted from whomever he wanted and did not credit them. Modders became irate and untrusting. Some longtime modders stopped releasing things while others outright refused to collaborate with anyone outside of their internal teams because of the distrust. Things got ugly for a bit.

Eventually, his mod died out. People became aware that he was nothing more than a thief and that he was damaging the community every time he stole something. His following dropped to almost nothing, and he disappeared.

But the story doesn't actually end there:
Throughout all of that, I continued development. I was discouraged, but I knew that there were people out there that respected hard work and appreciated what I was doing. I felt that cutting them off would be unfair--they had done nothing wrong.

In any case, I had been working on a big update. It had been six months since I did a major release, and I'd completely revamped the mod from bottom to top. It was to be released in a "perfect" state.
One day one of my beta testers resigned out of the blue. He'd been on the team for about 8 months.
It turned out that he simply wanted to get at my code and see what I was doing.
He took my code, gave it to another team, and started his own project. To his credit, though, he didn't just copy/paste things--he rewrote a lot over time. He eventually started to go in a different direction, but he did build off of my code base and he did "steal" some of my features.

His mod developed quite a following.
Mine slowly died out not because I decided to quit, but because I no longer had time to devote hours a day to it.
The community never learned that he had based his mod on my beta builds that he had quietly been picking apart for months. I kept that quiet because I knew that making it public would send a whole new wave of distrust through the modding community and would do great damage, especially because by that time a number of the big mod teams had already gotten fed up and quit.

To this day I still occasionally get emails from people that use my mod. I've found it translated into a dozen different languages across the web. I found that I was glad that I didn't simply give up when people stabbed me in the back, because there were thousands of people who appreciated my work and appreciated that I aimed for perfection instead of "good enough." Looking back, I don't really regret any of the choices that I made. I only wish that I'd managed to finish my final release.


I guess my point is this:
By letting these people dictate what you do, you're letting them win. You have thousands of people--a silent majority--that appreciate what you do and respect you for it. By refusing to do a public release in order to spite a tiny minority, you're only punishing the large majority that supports you.
So what if some people abuse your work? It happens to everyone in every field. It's inevitable--if you create something, somebody will abuse it.
The point is that nobody will care about that. Your detractors will die out. Nothing they do will be as good as what you do, because what you've done is a labor of love. People will recognize that and will remember you for that.

Wow Asdf that was en extremely well-written and thoughtful post.

Thanks.

I've been in connary's shoes, so I understand where he's coming from.

But at the same time, he needs to understand that it's guys like him that are keeping Morrowind alive and that far more people respect his work than will abuse it. Yes, it svcks to have to deal with that, be he he will be the one remembered and appreciated in the long run. His detractors will be forgotten.

Wow, great concept! Very Morrowindy!

By the way: YOU ROCK!

Edit: I just read some of those "troll" comments. I'm sorry Connary, you deserve better!

Come to these forums for moral support! :hugs:

Just remember that what one does is what what one is. Adversities come and go, but those that challenge truth with fallible claims have a tough time out lasting the integrity of one who perseveres with truth as their weapon.

Yep, you heard me. Here, have an ice cream. :icecream:

I'm a bit surprised?? One more time my incapability of use a proper english dont let me explain accurately what I was thinking.

I take a clear decision, I dont want to make this mod free for all. Well, I cant put doors in the middle of the ocean but I can try to lead the course of the river.

Basically I think we modders need in first term take in consideration our own work. Respect ourselves. Evidently there are some degrees in the implication on the modding process.
I'm a bit angry that people cant understand than a project of two years that includes tons of new art material must deserve some respect. Some people will look at this and think, wuas Connary's inflated ego one more time??, well I will don't take one minute to discuss nothing with people with this kind of mentality. If you reader are of this kind then forgot about me :violin: In fact if you dont care about what Im doing, then do not waste time here.

Then my decision of delete my mods and now my decision to dont make free for all the mod. Connary is a crazy boy???? What the Heck??? Modders only want to grow is nickname on the net, then why he is modding if he dont want to make public his mod??? Basically the same mentality than don't understand a bit the creative process and the modding in general. Personally I suspect that there are a lot of people that definitely dont share his final results dont because they arent generous but cause they dont like the tools and channels to make shareable the fruit of his passion. They are in most cases silent, im my case due my activity in the forums has been very noticeable.

Every well established community out there share internally his info, tools etc, you must sign in and take active part in you want to grow with them. Modding gaming dont, needs external tools to the real participants.
Modding must change to grow in the right direction imho. Must be a club, an association, not a free for all trolls activity. Modders have grown in knowledge and ideas. The environment and general perception of the modder must also change. This will only change with our direct intervention. Right now or you make public your work or you are a pest. Well, I take my decision, everyone can include the adjective. I dont talk about this forums, basically I found this place right like a want, a lot of people helps to maintain the noise far from here but in the final chance we are not protected.

In other side people seems concerned about the possibility to get the mod. Well, people here must be the only one that don't need to be worried about getting the mod. There are plenty of tools out there to maintain a controlled way to share things. We MUST learn this tools. Not everyone must follow this same process of course but must have an option for people that want this way to do things.

P.D.: ADSF said: ''''But at the same time, he needs to understand that it's guys like him that are keeping Morrowind alive and that far more people respect his work than will abuse it''''.
First of all thanks for your history, then; sorry but im not here to maintain Morrowind alive, why I need to maintain Morrowind alive? Only Beth will be happy with that concept. I only want to share my passion with people in the same wavelength. I dont care if they are 3 or 3000 people. Numbers. The only way to consider that is the consideration to help growing a kind of games, but sorry this war is lost definitely. Morrowind in the last one of his kind.

This thread is on page seven already, which says something about just how interested people are in your work. *chuckle* And I think I can understand not wanting your work to be free for all. I mean, those comments on YouTube (and various game sites) started to actually make me angry, and that takes a lot - there are a lot of lazy selfish parasites out there apparently. Ah well.

^ Connary, I had some trouble understanding what you wrote, but it sounded like you implied that you think this community should be some kind of club or something. It isn't and never will be. It is a community, for all of us, everyone. We aren't here for your benefit, or mine, or any individual person. This is a social web forum. We all want to be friends, share our passion for gaming and interact. If you think someone has dis-respected you then report them to the moderators.

The members of this community practically worship you and your work and you think you aren't being respected?

Hahhaha, If this what people will understand from my speech then i must stop to wrote in english. I think your anolysis its the exact opposite from my intentions. I dont need to make explanations about who insult me, every person active here knows a bit whats happening. I'm not talking about this community and I never said nothing about feeling disrespected here. I'm feeling at home here. Only because a lot of people as showed me his respect, interest and generosity I'm taking time explaining me and sharing my feelings. In other situation I would go silent and definitely.