I'm an Oblivion veteran and after my 6th playthrough, I was hungry for more TES. So I got Morrowind, which was by far the biggest dissapointment of my gaming life. I understand that it has a depth and complexity that Oblivion lacks but I can't bring myself to get over the dire graphics and awful combat. Therefore, I'm wondering whether Daggerfall would be a smart move. I've always been curious but I don't know whether I should get it. Also, how much can I expect to pay for it if I do get it? In euro.

god-of-madness

Eh? Well, if graphics is one of the issues, then take a look at http://www.miriscusltd.com/daggerfall/daggerfall.png. If you can look at that, and say that you are still interested, then you might consider looking into it. The combat is better than in Morrowind, compared to Oblivion I personally think it's a bit cooler, but I'm not sure if it's better, really. The game is incredibly deep and complex, and for new players it can be a lot to take in, but if you are willing to take your time, and learn, then I think you will have one of the best gaming experiences that you may encounter. Beats Oblivion's ass I tell you.
Can't tell you much about the price though. I got it from a friend of my brother, who just had it lying around, so I was pretty lucky there. But I reckon you would have to pay at least around ?50-80, but it's worth it.

You could try the http://files.filefront.com/DagDemozip/;7873039;/fileinfo.html(pre-configured in Dosbox, taken from Jormungandr's sig) first, and see how you like it. You'll have a whole island to explore, so there is still tons to do. However it lacks several of the bug fixes, and there is a limit for how many games you can pass in the game, probably a level cap too, but it will still last several hours.

I quite like that cartoon-y art style. I prefer those graphics to MW because it's not trying to be realistic. MW did and failed epically. I think I'm gonna get it. Your screen shot inspired me! 50-80 is a bit expensive but I'll look aronud e-bay to see what I can get. Man, I love those graphics! Don't know why, I just do!

Well if you were disappointed in Morrowind, than Daggerfall won't be much different. Daggerfall boasts even more RPG skills and is even more complex - certainly not for everyone

It sounds like things that made you dislike Morrowind (that you specifically stated- dire graphics and awful combat) are more pronounced in Daggerfall. It has the sameish hit system as Morrowind (not every 'hit' counts) and are much earlier 3d graphics with many sprites for NPCs, objects and such.

Daggerfall just require some time learning it.
It doesn`t have such simplifications like Oblivion and even Morrowind.
You want to repair weapon/armor?
Unlike in MW or Oblivion you have to leave it at blacksmith so he can repair it, which takes some time (2 days or more).
And many more things like that which makes game kinda more realistic but less user friendly (for those who got used to nowadays games).
+ some annoyning bugs

Try the Betony demo as sheepdragon suggested, it will give you a good idea of what to expect from the full game before buying it. I personally don't mind Daggerfalls graphics because its gameplay outshines them IMO, if it had Oblivions graphics it wouldn't be the same game to me because I like using my imagination to make up for the graphics, especially in the dungeons. Graphics always age fast in games, but good gameplay can stand the test of time.




Thats one of the things I love about about Daggerfall as well as gold adding weight.

And banking system!

Gold weight without a banking system would've been awkward, so yes!

I'd just wait for TES V if I was you... You wont like daggerfall if you disliked Morrowind.

Morrowind looks great with the proper mods - especially MGE which gives it distant land and some nice flashy bloom/hdr shaders. Also the Morrowind Visual Pack/Texture replacer is a must. Check out http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/TopRated.php?content=mods for the best mods probably around at this point.

If you were dissapointed with Morrowind and could not get over poor graphics and shallow combat..then please do not waste your time with Daggerfall.

If you can't get over these aspects, there is no point. Morrowind is an absolutely breathtaking game, as is Daggerfall, don't get me wrong.

I can't believe you guys are telling him NOT to check out this game.

If you're even slightly interested, you really should try to track down a copy. Daggerfall achieves a scale that is as-yet unrivaled by Morrowind or even Oblivion. It was very ambitious, with some shortcomings, but certainly amazing for its time.

Try the Betony demo to see how it runs on your machine.

I just figured that out Was wondering why I had 59 kilograms when I had nothing in my inventory.

I have to echo some posts in here. If you can't get over less than amazing graphics and a different combat system compared to OB, then DF is not for you.

In my opinion, Daggerfall is very much like Morrowind, but it has the stupidity taken out of it.

-Weapons and armor last a good while before being damaged.
-Trainer abuse is designed to be minimized. This should not be a problem unless you are compulsive.
-You actually get little money for loot, unless you have high mercantile. If you do end up with too much, you are encouraged to blow it on potions and tithes at the temples...
-Guilds are pretty exclusive when it comes to benefits and advancement. They encourage you to play the role.
-The random nature and expanse of the dungeons makes dungeon crawling pretty fun.
-Reputation is important.
-Many skills.
-Tracks aren't as repetitive.

Try the demo. This game is good, but requires that you give it a chance.

Huh? Arent they just being helpful, not wanting him to spend time and money on a game he hates. *I* think that a person who can stand 6 playthroughs of TES4 can hardly enjoy TES2 as much as it deserves. If any.

He got a link to the demo, which gives basic idea and is free, isn't that enough?

No, it's insular elitism, and it's sickening. The helpful people who recommended he try the demo were not the same folks who tried to dissuade him from even checking it out in the first place, and so don't fall under those same lines. Which were basically:

How dare this "casual" gamer who actually likes modern titles from the same series come into our exclusive club and show interest in our sacred classic!

The snobbish overtones are even fairly evident in your own reply.


The guy shows interest in checking out this game, he should be pointed in the right direction, not looked down on and dissuaded. Pretty simple.

Yix, you're a bit over the top, but I get where you're going. You should stick around, maybe snoop around the older topics in this section to see the trends that tend to pop up--and you'll probably see that this topic falls into one of them. We get this sort of thing quite often, a member whose a big fan of Oblivion comes in wanting to try the older titles, often touting his favorite parts about OB which, of course, end up being the near opposite of anything Daggerfall. Often they get turned away by screenshots, often they get stuck by the amount of computer know-how it takes to get DOSbox running, sometimes they actually try it before running away.

The end result is that most OB fans do not end up liking Daggerfall (or Arena for that matter). It's not hard to believe, based on how different they are. And the reverse is true, too, that DF fans tend to not like OB. Throw up a poll in TES general and you'll see that of the people who have played both games, few actually like both of them. Basic statistics alone I think justifies much of the behavior in this thread. I can think of possibly 4 or 5 members who have come to Daggerfall after OB and actually enjoyed it--and IIRC, they came here because they liked MW but were seriously turned off by OB.

Thing is, if the OP still wants to try DF after all this discouragement, there's probably hope
And again, there's link to the demo, already configured in DOSbox, in my sig. I have it there for the precise reason of making it easier for people to experience this game.

And welcome to the boards.

My thanks for not going for the jugular, Jormungandr.

I can understand the need to grow a thick skin to avoid shrewd dismissal of something you love. Fact is, if I would've stayed as close to the community from the time I joined the chat on Daggerweb in 1997 through 'til now, I'm sure I would've been driving this guy away along with the others. I walked away some years back, and I'm glad I did, because it feels like I'm back with a renewed perspective and appreciation for TES, both classics such as DF and also the newer things. Of course I'm not happy with everything in the new stuff. It's a different scene now, and pretty much a different company making them, but I still see a lot of promise there.

I'm not here to antagonize anybody, I just think that sometimes it's good to have a shot in the arm every now and then, and a fresh perspective.

I've played and loved Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion. (Though Daggerfall and Morrowind are those that claimed the most hours of my life; and I wouldn't play Oblivion without mods that fix its gameplay problems.)

There are definitely people who do like all games however, like me for example. I started out with Morrowind, loved it, continued with Oblivion, loved it as well although not as much, went on with Arena which I really enjoyed as well and then finally onto Daggerfall which also stole a piece of my heart. :wub: So when it comes to the OP one shouldn't make any assumptions, the fact that he couldn't stand Morrowind because of the graphics might be an indicator he won't fully appreciate Daggerfall however. But he should definitely try the demo first and not listen to all of those who seem to think he should just forget about it.

I don't know about the rest of you But I would URGE him to try it. I've been playing Arena since 95 and Daggerfall since 96... With breaks of course. But I always come back to them. Why? Because they are the greatest. But he needs to decide that for himself and the rest of you have no overall say in that. Yix... I completely agree with you on the overtones of some of these posts... But as in all things... "HALT, HALT, HALT!"

I should have been more clear. I am referring to (and the OP falls into this category) Oblivion fans liking Daggerfall--as in people who have come to the series because of Oblivion. As I said, most of the people who end up liking Daggerfall after the later titles are those who played and liked Morrowind first (such as you, Manveru). Hope that makes more sense

Of course then again... with all it takes to run on xp and vista i dont know if he should... depends on his computer knowledge i guess.

But he needs to decide that for himself and the rest of you have no overall say in that.

Ask yourself: why did he post?

:foodndrink:
I know that the graphics thing is extremely shallow and superficial but even so, I didn't feel like I was being told to leave this "exclusive club" of DF fans. Thanks for sticking up for me anyway!


Extremely minimal. Cavemen had more computer knowledge than me. Should that affect my decision?